Prepare to be captivated as our latest guest, a former lawyer with a zest for the art world, takes us on a journey from courtroom to canvas. Our conversation kicks off with the heated cookie debate of the century—chocolate chip or peanut butter?—before diving into the transformative waves of NFTs and crypto art. With a story that begins with skepticism and evolves into fervent participation, our guest chronicles the landmark Beeple sale that piqued his curiosity and the subsequent immersion into the thriving Twitter-based NFT community. Discover how one finds their artistic footing among digital masterpieces and the importance of fostering a true emotional connection with the art you collect.
As you tune in, you'll uncover the subtle art of selecting digital pieces that speak to your soul. Like a sommelier pairing the perfect wine with a meal, we discuss developing the palate needed to critique and appreciate art in all its forms, from the canvas to the screen. Hear firsthand how our guest approaches investing in art, balancing spontaneous purchases with thoughtful acquisitions of pricier pieces and learning life lessons from quotable TV shows like "Ted Lasso." It's a narrative about art that transcends mediums, teaching us the beauty and complexity of human expression.
Wrapping up, we don't just leave you with thoughts on art; we serve up a side of personal anecdotes and future aspirations. From gaming antics and the hilarity of pet ownership to heartfelt moments with family and the rewarding nature of making art accessible, this episode is a tapestry of experiences. And for a touch of indulgence, we tempt your taste buds with plans for a biscuits and gravy breakfast—because, as we know, the best conversations often happen over a shared meal. Join us on this delightful romp through culture, technology, and the joys of everyday life on the NorCal and Shill Podcast Show.
Prepare to be captivated as our latest guest, a former lawyer with a zest for the art world, takes us on a journey from courtroom to canvas. Our conversation kicks off with the heated cookie debate of the century—chocolate chip or peanut butter?—before diving into the transformative waves of NFTs and crypto art. With a story that begins with skepticism and evolves into fervent participation, our guest chronicles the landmark Beeple sale that piqued his curiosity and the subsequent immersion into the thriving Twitter-based NFT community. Discover how one finds their artistic footing among digital masterpieces and the importance of fostering a true emotional connection with the art you collect.
As you tune in, you'll uncover the subtle art of selecting digital pieces that speak to your soul. Like a sommelier pairing the perfect wine with a meal, we discuss developing the palate needed to critique and appreciate art in all its forms, from the canvas to the screen. Hear firsthand how our guest approaches investing in art, balancing spontaneous purchases with thoughtful acquisitions of pricier pieces and learning life lessons from quotable TV shows like "Ted Lasso." It's a narrative about art that transcends mediums, teaching us the beauty and complexity of human expression.
Wrapping up, we don't just leave you with thoughts on art; we serve up a side of personal anecdotes and future aspirations. From gaming antics and the hilarity of pet ownership to heartfelt moments with family and the rewarding nature of making art accessible, this episode is a tapestry of experiences. And for a touch of indulgence, we tempt your taste buds with plans for a biscuits and gravy breakfast—because, as we know, the best conversations often happen over a shared meal. Join us on this delightful romp through culture, technology, and the joys of everyday life on the NorCal and Shill Podcast Show.
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Speaker 1:Calgary and Chilpockets Put the sloth. North Calgary and Chilpockets. Hey everyone, welcome to this next episode of North Calgary and Chilpockets. Today's guest is ex-lawyer. He is a humble frog who once practiced law and now runs a couple franchise systems. He cares deeply about art and culture. If you get a chance, go follow him on Twitter and catch his takes. Hi everybody, please welcome ex-lawyer. Hey, ex-lawyer, welcome to the podcast. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2:I'm good man, I'm good. Thanks so much for having me. It's good to be on the show. I'm really honored that you invited me.
Speaker 1:Man, it is good to have you. I love your takes Whenever you put them out there. It's you know I have notifications on for a reason.
Speaker 2:I really appreciate that. So, when it comes to my takes, what do you like more? The food takes or the other?
Speaker 1:Because your food takes are good too, like the question, like this or this, and I'm like why are you making me decide? Sometimes I just avoid it, but your other takes are awesome.
Speaker 2:Mrs Ex-lawyer and I will sometimes do that to each other and we'll be like you have to answer this One for the rest of your life. Don't think about it. Do you want chocolate chip cookies or peanut butter cookies? Basically, can I cuss on this? I assume I can. The answer is always like go fuck yourself Also chocolate chip.
Speaker 1:That's a hard one. Just me thinking about that right now. Growing up, my mom made oatmeal chocolate chips. That were amazing. But I've also had some peanut butter cookies. When they're fresh out of the oven, just cool, just barely, but they're still warm and they fall apart when you hold them. It's still a little chewy, right, yeah, and they melt in your mouth. It's hard, that's a hard decision, I know. See, that's the fun of it.
Speaker 2:That's the fun, and you know I'm going to risk losing some followers on this, but that's fine. That's fine, I don't need these people anyway. Look, if you prefer crunchy cookies that just fall apart when you eat them, you're a savage and I don't respect your opinion.
Speaker 1:I respect that and I agree with that, because I love a soft cookie, oh man. So what were your first thoughts when you heard about NFTs?
Speaker 2:You know, I was the first time that I really heard about them. It was right after the Beeple sale Back in what was that?
Speaker 2:20, 20, december of 2020, and I heard about it. It was on I don't know some news site and then I have a subscription to Bloomberg. That's one of my primary news sources. And then it made it into Bloomberg. And when it made it into Bloomberg, I was like, okay, this is interesting. And then I started around the same time.
Speaker 2:You saw some stuff about Dabber Labs and Top Shot and that sort of stuff, and so I'm like you know, I think like a lot of people, I was first kind of drawn to them Because I was like, wow, there's a lot of financial activity In the asset class.
Speaker 2:And then I kind of Googled around and I found it at the gateway, but I was confused by it, so I didn't buy anything and I probably wouldn't miss some stuff Like bad, I wish I hadn't. And then I, the first time I ever bought anything, it was around the time that I created my Twitter account, which I think it was September of 2021, and, like most people, it was a PFP or some, like you know, a shit coin of NFTs, and so you know, that's where I started. And then, eventually, around December of 2021, I learned about art blocks and totally faded them. Man, I would have ugh, that hurts. And then I started learning about one of ones and editions and that sort of thing, and I've been collecting art for God 20 years Probably you know not huge collection or anything, but you know, going to art shows, going to galleries, buying a piece here or there To hang on our home, and so when I found that part of the NFT world that I much prefer to call crypto art, then I knew I'd kind of found my own.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that makes sense. That makes sense. I mean, yeah, it's interesting the different. Like we have such a niche community but there's also these niche, like micro niches within it and you kind of get stuck in the bubbles. Like I feel like I only see stuff from photographers at this point and I'm like I know I used to collect animation and illustration, but now I feel like I mainly see photography stuff, which is such a small bubble within the whole community.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really, and I don't do many spaces and I don't join spaces that often but then I'll jump into a space from like deep and he'll have, you know, hundreds of people and I'll just start clicking through profiles and I'll be like, how have I never seen your stuff? I mean the fact that our entire world Kind of exists within Twitter is an issue. You know it hurts discovery. It does put you in those clicks and those bubbles Because you know, like you probably have a couple of photographers that you're friends with and so you all reply to each other and now the algorithm's throwing you photography and it's like our community is both small but larger than we think and you don't realize that until you get into a space from a massive account and you're like how have I never seen this person before?
Speaker 1:Thank you. And same with like collectors, like I'll like discover another collector and I'm like, well, they have a decent following. I've never heard of them before. Yeah, so random. And you're like I've never tried to avoid anyone and I'm like I've never seen this person before. It's interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I mean, and Like your, your value as an artist, your, your taste as a collector have Essentially nothing to do with your follower account, right? You know, like collectors, that I really respect. A great example is your partner, click create Clutch. Yeah, I don't remember how many followers he's that now I haven't looked in a while but he's fewer than 10,000. Based on his taste and what he does for the community and what he does to help artists, he should be, I mean, multiples of that. And you know there are plenty of artists that are Fantastic artists and they're. Some of them are sub thousand follower accounts and you know it's probably One of the biggest challenges in the space and probably one of the things that is the most right for disruption, and I have no idea what that disruption looks like. I mean, blue skies cool, but blue sky is not that it. That's not the answer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure. I know that's. That is one of my issues with the space is we are such a visual space and we're using a word text-based platform, which is great for me. You know, true, trigger threads are awesome. They are, they are. They're great, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:Thank you, yeah, yeah, no, I mean. Then I go over to a visual based platform like Instagram when, you know, I have fewer than a thousand followers or something. But then I look at some of my followers who are my artist friends from Twitter and I'm like 400,000 followers, you know. You know, I mean the insta kind of like insta did a huge service to its creators because they had created an NIT platform and an integrated I mean it was selling them. It was, they were selling out instantly, I mean instantly, and it was a great way for those artists to monetize their following there. And then they rubbed it, you know, and they ultimately I wrote a thread on it, because of course I did. They ultimately probably wrote it because they weren't seeing the ROI that they wanted, but I think that they were taking a very myopic view of what the space will be Right. For sure, I didn't. I bet you didn't realize that this was gonna be explore your rants about cookies and technology.
Speaker 1:Hey, well, this is your show today, so hey, we're all for it. Oh, what's the best piece of advice you've been given? Oh, man about anything, about anything oh.
Speaker 2:That's a really, really good question Best piece of advice that I've been given.
Speaker 2:You know, instead of giving you the best piece of advice that I've been given because I honestly don't know, cuz I've got so much good advice in my life I'll tell you something that stuck with me from law school. It was from one of my professors I think it was my said pro some procedure professor and it stuck with me and it's made me think about what I say and what I write, and it was as lawyers, we we're inclined to believe that words have meaning, and so I talked about this on a space that I hosted a while back. You know, sometimes we we see people use words and we're like what do they mean by that? And they're just not being very precise in their language.
Speaker 2:I think that a lot of the things that we see in politics today and a lot of disagreements Between people come from being imprecise and in language and using overly broad language. That does not effectively communicate what they believe, because, ultimately, when it comes to communication, it is not what you intend to say, it is what the recipient understands you to have said, and so I think that that was as lawyers, we're inclined to believe that words have meaning is applicable to everyone.
Speaker 1:Right, that's that. Such a great dig Reminds me of when I started with my parents, like you just aren't.
Speaker 2:You're not understanding it right, exactly exactly, you know it. When, when, when you were able to fully, accurately and precisely describe what you mean, then you probably avoid a lot of hurt feelings and a lot of conflict that arose because of imprecision.
Speaker 1:This for solid advice. I like that in More people, including myself, into Practice it more or work on developing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you know, and it just takes time. Yeah, the more you practice trying to be precise and what you're trying to say, the more easy it becomes.
Speaker 1:Right, so did you co? I mean, you kind of touched on it, you collected a little bit of art. Did you collect anything else like comics cards?
Speaker 2:And I believe I think I wrote about this at one point. I either wrote about it or I wanted to write about it and I just never got around to it. I think that everybody, I think that all humans are driven to collect things, and the extent to which they collect and what they collect is driven largely by their means and where they are in the society that they're in. So short answer yes, I have collected a lot of things in my life. When I was a kid, I collected baseball cards and comic cards. I loved Marvel comics. I had the cards with Wolverine on them and stuff.
Speaker 2:And then, as I got older, when I entered the practice of law, I always printed out my drafts and I would hand write them. I wouldn't hand write the drafts, I would hand edit them. And so I collected fountain pens. I thought it was a very elegant way to do that, and so I have a fountain pen collection. And then, as much as I love technology, I don't wear an electronic like an Apple watch or something. I wear a mechanical watch. So I collect watches, still do collect those, but I don't buy many of those because my taste have got extremely expensive. And so I've collected a lot of things throughout my life. The main collections today are CryptoArt and watches, but, like I said, watches happen every year or two years, just depending on what I'm buying.
Speaker 1:Did I remember you saying something about cars?
Speaker 2:Do you have cars. I do not have cars. I have a car, Though if I had more money and more space, there would probably be some more cars.
Speaker 1:All right, all right. True space is an issue with those things. It's a huge issue.
Speaker 2:It's actually one of the great things that CryptoArt solves for, even when it comes to collecting physical art. I've been collecting, like I said, been collecting art a long time. There are so, so, so many pieces that Mrs X and I have looked at and we've been like, man, that's awesome, but where are we gonna hang it? And so we skipped it. Or we've got, or we said, man, that's awesome, I've got a great place for it, but we're going to a gallery next week and maybe we'll find something we like more than, and so we just don't pull the trigger, because the space is legitimately a major issue.
Speaker 1:True, that's very true. What are the best things about Web 3 today?
Speaker 2:So I think that the best thing about Web 3 is the entire concept. The concept of verifiable ownership of digital assets, I think is a revolutionary idea. Revolutionary to the extent that the internet was revolutionary. We've been.
Speaker 2:It's been very slow to catch on, but I think if you look back in history and the adoption of technologies like the internet, they were very slow and then all at once and I think that you're gonna see the same thing with this technology, as companies start to build products around it, real products, not just art, but real products that people use every day and people become comfortable with using the technology, which will come with improved UI and UX that all of a sudden, instead of being a community, a Web 3 community not just crypto art, not just the NFT, it's not just the zeitgeist, not just shitcoins, but people that interact with digital assets that they own I think that that will see explosive growth, several orders of magnitude larger than it is today, and I think that will happen very, very quickly. But we're probably just considering where the economy is today and that sort of thing. I think we're probably a couple of years off from that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can see that for sure. So where do you see? I mean, you kind of touched on it, but where do you see digital art in five years and do you have any concerns?
Speaker 2:I think that you know, back in January maybe, cosmo D'Amitici made some donations to LACMA, the museum in Los Angeles. I think that that is a huge leap forward and I think that like I'm going to butcher this into my friends that speak French, I'm sorry the museum de Pompidou in Paris has displayed some NFTs, and so I think that we are going to continue to see crypto art be elevated by major institutions and that, as that happens, that we will see more collectors come into the crypto art space and begin collecting, and I think that it will not only we'll see more collectors, but we will also see people who are brand new to art collecting, and I think that that is enabled by some of the price points that you can see with crypto art and with the ability to do things like addition 1155s that have very little additional costs to the artist's fermenting Great.
Speaker 1:And I like. Very true. So what makes you decide to buy a piece? Do you like spend time looking at it, get to know the artist, or are you like? I need that?
Speaker 2:right now. I think that there's a couple of things. So first, there are some pieces that just don't cost that much money, especially if you look at it as today, gas is like crazy expensive. So buying a piece off the cuff on it, even if it's an inexpensive piece, it's still going to cost you like 30 or 40 bucks in gas. But when it comes to like Tezos and when gas is cheaper, sometimes I'm just like man, I like that, I vibe with it, I'm going to buy it At some point. I will totally throw that on my wall or put that. You all don't see it, but I'm on video. Right now, behind me is a little token frame with a Brooksy Denado piece and I'll think I'll throw that up on my. I'll throw that up on my wall or something.
Speaker 2:But when it comes to more expensive pieces that I'm collecting for long term but my goal is is never I want to make a bunch of money on this, but if I'm going to spend, you know, an E through two E through something or more, I do want to have a feeling that I'm not going to get wrecked in the future if I decide to sell it. And so for that I asked myself a couple of questions. First, number one is obviously always do I vibe with it? It doesn't matter how good you know how technically good the work is, or if I believe that it's historic or not. I'm not buying it if I don't vibe with it, because I buy things with the intent of display. So that's threshold one.
Speaker 2:Threshold two is is this technically good? You know, this is something that we're afraid to talk about in this space because we don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. There is a lot of work and a lot of really, really, really good work, but there is also some work that is not technically good. It's not to say that that artist can't be, but it's to say that that artist needs more time, more time practicing their craft. You know, remember there is a saying out there that you need 10,000 hours to become an expert in something. If you pick up the Apple Pencil today or the paintbrush today and you paint for 20, 30 hours, and then you say, I'm gonna sell this as an NFT, you very well could be Mozart, just brilliant from the start. The odds of that are infinitesimally low. And so I asked myself is this technically good work? And then, last, lastly, I kind of asked myself. You know where does this stand. It doesn't have a point of view.
Speaker 2:Is this something that will be identifiable if this artist makes it as that is their work? And easy, easy examples of this I could show almost anyone that has any experience with modern art a Rothko and they would immediately go. You might not know his name, but they'd go. I know that guy's work. Or I could show them maybe the easiest example of all Van Gogh, and they will probably know his name and they will almost certainly go. I know exactly who that is. If you can create something that has, you know, a point of view or a style that will be identifiable to people, then that's kind of the last piece that I think not only will make sure that I don't get wrecked but again, not my goal to make money, but I don't wanna get wrecked but that also means that you know in 10, 15, 20 years that I might actually make money if I sell the piece and I might make a lot of money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely some good points to consider. And yeah, it's one thing like, as I've progressed through this space from starting, you know, to where I am now, you know you definitely you learn about all these different things, cause, I mean, I'm not an expert. I didn't start out, you know, I started out just for fun. So, yeah, it definitely is a progression, for myself at least, to learn about different things and techniques and start, you know, getting opinions and saying like, hey, why is this good, why is this bad? You know, don't be afraid to ask questions from other artists that you think are good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and you know, one of the things that I talk about whether something's technically good or not the easiest thing to look at, I think, to see that this is can be objective, whether something is good or not is TV and movies, because we've all watched a whole lot of it and we have all been to a movie and watched it and been like man, that was a bad movie. The scripting was terrible, pacing was terrible. Don't even get me started on the cinematography. Like what were they thinking on these shots? It's insane, holy shit. The acting was bad. We've spent so much time with it that we think that it's just an eighth that we know that. But it's not. It is something that we learn through experiencing it a lot, and the more art that you experience, the more time that you spend with it, the more museums you go to to see truly excellent work, the more you will be able to look at something and go. That's good. I mean, that's really good, right right, definitely.
Speaker 1:What is your favorite movie quote.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that's hard. You know I'm not gonna give you a quote, but I will give you a TV show that I think is incredibly quotable and super heartwarming. I think Ted Lasso. Ted gives so much good advice and I just you know, of course I can't quote any of it off the top of my head right now. It's been a long work day but Ted Lasso has. He has some really quotable stuff and he has some stuff that is just really really good advice. Yeah nice.
Speaker 1:Okay, I like it. What would you like to see more of in the crypto art space?
Speaker 2:It's easy to. I think what I'd like to see more of is I talked earlier about artists that maybe deserve bigger followings because their work is so good. I would love to see large accounts boost the work of smaller accounts that is technically and artistically excellent. As I said, there is precisely zero correlation between follower count and quality, either as a collector or an artist. I think this goes to both groups. If you see a collection that you're like wow, they did an excellent job of curating this. It's a small collector, pointed out, linked to their on-cyber, linked to their deco, whatever. If you see an artist who has 1,100 followers and you're like man, this is great work, help, boost them. I would love to see more of that. I think that it costs nothing and it can have a huge, huge impact.
Speaker 2:I am personally aware of several artists that have been able to sell work because people like you and me said this is good, I like this. Then it found the buyer. With my nifty gateway drops. I tweet several times about them before they drop, because one, the algorithm doesn't always put things in front of people. Two, just like with any marketing in any business, the more times people see something, more likely they are to be able to connect with it and understand the value proposition to them. If you see a piece that you like and then you tweet about it, and then I tweet about it and then somebody else tweets about it, well, they've just gotten a whole lot of views and they might be able to sell that piece.
Speaker 1:Great, that's great, very good points, I agree. The three tweets, or that's social proof Like, hey, this person is actually good and it helps a ton. You've seen it with, like when X copy puts his faith behind an artist, like, hey, I just bought this piece or something. Then immediately that artist blows up Exactly, it's crazy, exactly what is the best thing and the silliest thing you spend money on.
Speaker 2:The best thing I spend money on is time spent with family and friends. 6529 wrote a thread I think it was last year in the 22, about the number of times that you get to do something again for the rest of your life. I know that a lot of our listeners are going to be very, very young. They're going to be in their 20s and that hasn't clicked for them yet, but it will At some point. You are going to think about your parents and your friends and you're going to realize that why don't we have 100 more of these for the rest of my life? You're just like well that I was going to skip because I'm tired, but that means I only have 99 more.
Speaker 2:The best things I've ever spent money on are time with family and friends the silliest things that I've spent money on. I'd love to say I don't spend money on silly things, you know, but should I blow money on stupid shit all the time? All right, so I can't name any specific item, but I can say that the silliest things that I have spent money on have been things that I had purchased from Amazoncom at two o'clock in the morning after far too many whiskies. That's likely true of most listeners too.
Speaker 2:But, it's a corgi-shaped oven made. Of course I need that.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that exists, but if it does exist, I'm going to.
Speaker 2:Google it and I'm going to find where I'm going to buy it, because I actually want that. I have a corgi, okay okay.
Speaker 1:So if you could commission a piece between two artists, who would they be?
Speaker 2:That's a fantastic question, just because I would love to see what comes out. Ruben Wu and Guido oh, I have no idea what that would look like. Right, no clue, yeah they'd be interesting combo. It's either going to be amazing or just like what is this? But you're guaranteed to get something interesting. Yeah, if I was trying to combine artists who I think, who I know, could do something like really like wow, this is fantastic. To be fair, ruben Wu and Guido, they're very likely to turn out fantastic. Ruben Wu and ACK.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I think it'd be very interesting to see that one.
Speaker 2:I think that they could create. They have similar but different styles, and I think that they could create something that honors the muse in a very unique way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Right, right, right For sure. What is one interesting fact about you that we may not be aware of? Man?
Speaker 2:I'm, notwithstanding the fact that I'm not doxxed. I'm pretty open and I don't really hide things, and you all already know what I think about foods. I can't say anything there, actually, something I don't post about that often. I'm kind of a huge gamer. I love games. I tend to play a lot of single player. Don't do much online because I'm old and busted, but yeah, I'm a huge gamer and I have two dogs. One of them drives me absolutely nuts. She's a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel and, oh my God, when we got that dog, they told us look, they're super, super like. They need to be near you. What they didn't tell us is they need to physically be touching you 24 hours a day, where they would feel like you have abandoned them.
Speaker 1:So yeah, All right, that's fair. That's fair. Are there any projects you're working on you want to discuss?
Speaker 2:You know I was pointing out I'm writing about this at some point, but it just has like no time to write about it right now. I am and I think most listeners probably know I'm extremely proud of what I've been able to do with publishing on Nifty Gateway. When I look at the artists that I've been able to work with, you talk about quality. Every single one of them has delivered on quality in spades and I am grateful to have anything to do with it. But beyond just the quality being able to take work that I genuinely believe has a it meets all three of those criteria.
Speaker 2:For me, it's vibe with it. It is the quality. The technical quality is excellent and it has a unique point of view or unique style, unique look. Being able to take work from those artists that meets all of those things and then put it into the hands of people that probably can't afford their one of ones, because most of those artists sell for easy four, sometimes five figures USD value, and being able to get their work into the hands of people for $99 or $69 or less than $500 in every case for the open edition, is something that I'm extremely proud of. When's this episode coming out?
Speaker 1:Man, it might be like a month or a month and a half Okay, so too late to be alpha.
Speaker 2:But my most recent drop that has not dropped at the time of recording is Minotaur man, paul Reed. Yeah, and we're still. We haven't worked out pricing yet, but by the time this comes out you'll have been able to buy it. But his work is technically incredible. The subject matter is just so much fun. Mythology and being able to help people own his work is so, so cool man. I mean I'm just so proud of what I've been able to not I, I've had very little to do with it and you know I'm a humble frog that could tweet but being able to give artists the platform to, in a controlled setting, release those open editions or women editions, I'm very proud of that.
Speaker 1:No, I love them. I like search out and hope and wait for your next drop, and I have unfortunately missed maybe one or two because of the algo or something, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I know you were traveling on one of them because we didn't mind die in December I think you were traveling, but we did a really long burn on that one, so I hope you got. You got that piece.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I grabbed that one. It was like I think it was the Declan one and I was like wanting it and I was like flying that day or traveling and I was like Frank, I can't believe I missed it, but I the curation that you've done and the artist you've brought on, definitely recommended for people who are interested in diversifying for affordable price.
Speaker 2:Thank you. I truly do appreciate that and it means a lot coming from you. You've got excellent taste and it's greatly appreciated.
Speaker 1:Thanks, yeah, well, x. I want to say thank you so much for your time today and it's just an honor to be on this call with you and I hope to someday soon grab a steak or something with you. I want to go to Dallas so bad just to hang out with you.
Speaker 2:Hey, man, you're welcome anytime. I will take you to get one of the best steaks you've ever had in your life, but there's one condition I'm a Texas boy. I got to have your, I got to have your biscuits man. That's what I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 1:You make the biscuits.
Speaker 2:I miss X to make the sausage gravy. We'll do biscuits and gravy for breakfast.
Speaker 1:That'd be good, that'd be amazing. I'm down, I'm down.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, it's been my pleasure. Thank you so so much for having me and, you know, maybe at some point we can do this again. But I can be drunk and I can be really entertaining.
Speaker 1:All right, that's great. That's great. We'll have to do a late night. We'll start like a late night with NorCal or something. There you go, I love it. All right, man, we'll talk soon. You have a great day, you too. Show.
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