Beginbot - Collector

What if art could decay over time, or blockchain technology could make emotionally resonant experiences? This week on NorCal and Shill, our special guest Beginbot takes us on an exploratory journey into the eccentric world of crypto art and collectibles. From being an early adopter of CryptoPunks and CryptoKitties to indulging in quirky purchases like McDonald's toys and Pope memorabilia, Beginbot shares his unique perspective on the cyclical nature of collectible bubbles and the ongoing drama in the Web3 community. We also delve into his fascination with blockchain art that decays with each trade, making for a truly engaging conversation about the ever-evolving crypto art landscape.

Next, we tackle the dynamic trends in the art and collectibles market. What sets radical artists apart, and how do they ensure their legacy? Highlighting the work of contemporary crypto artist DeafBeef, we discussed how innovation and controversy continue to shape the art world. Beginbot gives us his insights into the varying levels of security across different blockchain platforms, with a preference for Ethereum and Bitcoin-based Ordinals over others like Solana. We wrap up this chapter with reflections on the intrinsic motivations behind collecting and the relentless pursuit of those rare and exciting pieces.

Lastly, we explore unconventional art concepts and the importance of building vibrant communities. From immersive, boundary-pushing art experiences to the potential of AI in crafting deeply emotional artworks, Beginbot opens up about his ongoing projects and innovative ideas. We delve into the sociology of art scenes, the significance of niche interests, and the value of stepping away from mainstream topics. Whether discussing childhood obsessions, the comfort of nostalgic items, or the exhilarating challenge of creating engaging content, this episode is a celebration of the unique passions that drive us and the thrilling art that challenges our perceptions.

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Transcript

NorCal Guy: 0:00

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NorCal Guy: 0:37

Today we have a truly unique guest, beaconbot, joining us for a dive into the fascinating world of crypto art and collectibles. Beganbot is a man of many passions an early adopter of CryptoPunks and CryptoKitties, a collector of McDonald's toys and Rubik's Cubes. He's known for his weekly meetups that start with crypto and often veer into other niche interests, always enjoying the company of unconventional thinkers. In this episode, we explore BeganBot's thoughts on the cyclical nature of collectible bubbles, his love for drama in the Web3 community and the intriguing concept of blockchain art that decays with each trade. From his skepticism about popular trends to his passion for community building, veganbot shares his unique perspective on not just collecting art but creating pieces that challenge and evoke strong emotional reactions. We'll learn about his peculiar and humorous purchases, his favorite avant-garde films, veganbot's deep-seated interest in storytelling, aesthetics and sociology of the art scene make for an engaging conversation that is sure to captivate you. So sit back, relax and get ready for a thought-provoking journey with BeaconBot on today's episode of NorCal and Shill.

NorCal Guy: 1:59

Hey, beacon, welcome to the podcast. How are you doing today?

Beginbot: 2:02

Doing lovely, you know, just catching up on all the fun you know, fun drama that's happening on Twitter every day.

NorCal Guy: 2:09

Right, right. I just barely see it and I think it's hilarious sometimes. Today's is the punk thing. I don't even remember what it's called the punk in residence with Nina Chanel.

Beginbot: 2:23

The punk thing I don't even remember what it's called the, the, the punk, in residence with Nina Chanel.

NorCal Guy: 2:27

There it is, there it is. I was like I, I don't mean, I don't care what they're doing, but whatever, um, but everyone's hating.

Beginbot: 2:34

Well, you don't, you don't, you don't have a punk then I do have a punk. Yeah, brand, we got to protect them. Okay, okay, sorry, I don't have a punk and I'm over here reading nina chanel interviews right now, trying to be like, okay, is there something I'm not seeing in the traits?

NorCal Guy: 2:52

and, like you, you just that's the difference between a punk owner and a non-punk owner well, well, I guess you could say I'm not like, I never rep it, so it's just sitting in the wallet. That's all it's doing.

Beginbot: 3:06

So yeah, that's the drama, probably a smart move right now, Kevin Crazy.

NorCal Guy: 3:12

So I guess, when did you get started?

Beginbot: 3:20

And what were your first thoughts when you heard about this whole crypto art scene? Yeah, so I'm always like I'm an internet nerd. I love weird subcultures, so I'm always anything. I'm not even joking. My interest things I'm not even interested in. I will look at the collecting scene. I know a ton about beanie babies just because people talk trash about them. So I'm like, well, there's some that are valuable. I'm gonna figure out which ones. I don't want to buy beanie babies. So, like, I'm always looking for, I don't know, just interesting, weird niches, niches. And so I saw CryptoPunks and CryptoKitties pretty early on because I already had ETH. I was a programmer, so you know. Classic story of everyone Bitcoin it's this cool, badass thing to buy drugs in the Silk Road. Very cool.

Beginbot: 3:56

And that teaches you about crypto. And then someone says ETH is programmable money. I was like I'm a programmer, I like programming, that's more valuable. And so I literally just got into ETH from that simple, dumb way. And so then I'm not, I don't really care, I just bought some and I didn't program anything. I was working on other stuff and then I saw CryptoPunks and CryptoKitties and I was like oh cool, little collectible things.

NorCal Guy: 4:20

I love collecting dumb things.

Beginbot: 4:22

I possibly imagine. I've got Pope memorabilia. I collect Pope memorabilia, so I collect dumb things that people don't like. And I was like, oh, this is pretty cool. So I got some CryptoKitties from 2017. They're on a broken computer right now. I'm just trying to get it open. The seed phrase is saved in a text doc. It's not working. It's a very old MacBook.

Beginbot: 4:44

And then I just watched punks kind of from afar and watched them like do nothing and then go up and price some and get past 1,000. And I was like, oh, this is cool, this is heating up here, but they never bought anything and just kept chilling, forgot about them. Then, randomly, I was working at a startup that was pretty much what Twitter Spaces is only in sports only and I honestly don't like sports. Don't tell anyone. I'm learning how to like them now. And there was some rooms talking about Top Shot and I'm like, what are they talking about? Oh, virtual trading cards. Oh, my dad's a baseball card collector. I don't like sports, but let's learn about that, yeah. And so I was like following it. I was really enjoying hearing people make money, hearing people give hilarious predictions Like people were fighting, like no, you don't understand. It's going to be a generation of talent and this is going to be like a Rook, a Michael Jordan rookie card and I was like, oh, I love what they're talking about, uh, but I'm not going to buy it because I know that I'm exit liquidity. If I don't watch basketball, I'm guaranteed exit liquidity.

Beginbot: 5:40

So, but I also had a a. I had a feeling that I had, I thought I had taste, you know, because I I collect shoes and clothing for a long time. Yeah, and all the shoes that I collected when I was younger, all these dunks that literally when I was around, like only nerds cared about them. It wasn't like this super, like financial thing. If you were like jedi dunks, they're ugly actually. I, I love them, but like they're people like your shoes, what are you wearing? It looks terrible. And those went up in value. So I was like, okay, buy things you like they go up. I feel like that.

Beginbot: 6:11

So I was like on the lookout and I was buying all sorts of silly little nfts here and there. I always shout out a fran elations, if you. If you know who he is. He's a og in the sneaker community and then an og in the crypto collectibles community and he started posting on his YouTube like, look, and I'm buying random NFT projects, projects that no one's heard of now. But he was like showing how he evaluated him and whatnot, and I was like, oh it's, it's sneakers. And so then from there I just had like I was just into it. I just loved following drops and this and that and everything else.

Beginbot: 6:40

And then I'm one of those terrible people who, when the board apes came out, I looked at them. I was like these are ugly. I watched them mint out. And then that first week I swear to god, I couldn't stop looking at him for whatever dumb reason. I called a friend of mine and I said, hey, dude, you want to get drunk and smoke weed tonight and look at all these monkey photos and I'm gonna buy one. And, uh, we did that. I think I bought one for like five hundred dollars, something stupid like that. And then over the next week I started buying more and more and we watched those go up.

Beginbot: 7:08

And then I happened to be in Venice, california, where the first BoardAid meetup was. So Bright Moments was here, first BoardAid meetup, and so then I was able to meet some people a little earlier on than others, and so I'm online full time. Then I go and meet people in person and it just, you know, it took over life, you know. So I just I got addicted to the. There's a drop happening in discord. What's the fun? I'm not even buying everything, it's just drop day and discord is just hilarious and fun, and I just lost my life after all of that. You know what I mean.

NorCal Guy: 7:38

So kill you. All right, that's awesome. I, I love it. Oh man, I love that. So what are the best things about Web3 today?

Beginbot: 7:53

So I always tell people like there's this constant conversation. Everyone's always saying like we're going to onboard people, everyone's going to be in this, everyone and like everything. I like isn't like that. I am an annoying like punk hardcore kid. I'm like a metal head where it's like oh my God, their new album, people like it. Actually, I don't like that, I want it to be. I like you know, we like black metal where if the production is the littlest bit clean, you're like, hmm, posers, they sold out. A normal person might, and so I don't want to be around too many normal people. I love cutting-edge stuff, I love weirdos, and you still got that today. You're still filled to the brim with people that are like every time I meet a friend who's deep into crypto, I'm like what else are you into? And it's like wild music, wild art, wild something else. I'm meeting people who are like I collect antiquities, I'm very deep into 16th century swords, and I'm very deep into 16th century swords and I'm like you're my type of person.

NorCal Guy: 8:44

You're not trying to scale up the 16th century sword market, right.

Beginbot: 8:47

So, like you still can meet, and since I do a weekly meetup, I meet new people every week and it always starts with crypto and then it goes to like you know any other weird niche thing. So it attracts niche people, similar to, I think, how you're seeing it with AI some now, too, it's this hated thing, which I love, that people hate it and so it attracts people who are like okay with that and those are my, that's my tribe.

NorCal Guy: 9:12

The hated, I love it, I love it.

Beginbot: 9:14

The contrarians yeah, yeah, you know people tell me I'm a contrarian. But I will say on record I am not a contrarian. I never have been, I never will be so that's just a dirty rumor, but yeah, oh man.

NorCal Guy: 9:27

So where do you see this crypto art in five years and do you have any concerns as it expands? Because it sounds like you might be leaving the space if it comes too popular.

Beginbot: 9:40

Oh, if it gets popular I'm out of here. I mean, it's like I have like deep I guess. I guess well, whatever, like I guess, deep personal opinions on some stuff, so like first there's art right, we can talk about art and then there's collectibles I definitely keep them separate, right, when I collect shoes, it's not art and people can say this shoe is a piece of art, but I'm not of the art.

Beginbot: 10:00

Uh, I love, love, love art, like you know. Remember, this is what drives me crazy too about like the crypto space. People like, oh, this artist, it's controversial, it's this or that, and I'm like, are you an art nerd at all? Every single artist I like pissed off everyone. It was like radical, you know. That's why the art is remembered and was pushed on. No one was like dude.

Beginbot: 10:19

You know who's good? Not picasso, but the guy who did right after him super similar, but he, but he just cleaned some lines up and his pricing structure was way better. They're not remembered. I'm not interested in it. So there's this crypto art world. Right, I do think that there are artists that are going to. You know their name's going to stand the test of time. I'm like the biggest deafbeath maxi in the world. I think he's an artist who used the chain and the medium to make art that is not only aesthetically beautiful and interesting and it sounds great, like the technique was intense and it uses the chain in an interesting way. So it's like this perfect mesh of it that I think that'll last. Right now, you could keep trying to do death beef stuff and you won't be remembered because you got to keep moving on and doing other stuff. So there's, I mean, who's going to be remembered after a hundred years is what I'm often thinking about, and I think it's. It's not gonna be that many people truthfully, and that's that's okay. That's how art scenes work. I love reading old art books and you're like who are all these people right? And then you find out that they were huge at the time. So, whatever crypto art is, there's gonna be evolutions and there's gonna be some people remembered and it's a fun place to participate, but it's you know this there's not that many artists who will really become remembered over time.

Beginbot: 11:24

Now, on the collectibles, we're in a hilarious hype-cycle bubble, like hype-cycle bubble thing. That's really fun. You know what I mean. I've been in multiple different bubbles for things. You know there's you know what is it Used video games just had a bubble that popped and you know, maybe it's going to come back right. There's coins that had bubbles. Everything has these little collectible bubbles that go up and down.

Beginbot: 11:43

I mean, right, you know, ethan FTs died and then all of a sudden, ordinals came out, right, and there was this whole renewed interest in the playbook just ran back. I have friends that were in Ethan FTs like dude innovation, check it out. They got this new thing. They don't do any utility, it's just vibes and I'm like OK, crypto, great, great. Then another one came out and it's like no dude, they got a brand new one. What they're doing here it's this mysterious, mysterious puzzle. I'm like do you know how many puzzles I did in eath that I got, you know, scammed on because I spent a week trying to solve something and it was nothing. So like the playbook can be run back again if there's some, like you know, I don't know, core little new culture. There needs to be new people first of all that are excited about it and like I don, I don't know something to piss off someone. So I think we'll keep seeing little evolutions and collectibles will keep moving in different ways. But you know, and a couple things will always stay Because, remember, collecting is not.

Beginbot: 12:34

We don't need everyone to collect things. If you actually look at collectibles, the highest-end stuff, it's not one million people want it, two rich guys fight over it and that's what pushes the price up and that's it. And it's like a third rich guy comes in and it's like it's going parabolic and it's like, no, a third rich guy just came into it. That's you know. We don't need a trillion people collecting niche things, so I don't know.

Beginbot: 12:55

For me, it's like you know, I like collecting stuff. I am a collector at heart, I am hoarder. I'm just looking around, I mean the stupidest things you could possibly imagine I collect, right, just because I'm like I need them, and it's a little like tick in my brain that I find other people have, but I'm not trying to pretend that, oh yes, I've unlocked. All humans will think like this. I think that's silly.

Beginbot: 13:16

I think the fun thing you can do for collecting, though, is just ride through and watch all the different trends and the different waves, and you find out oh cool, this is what's happening. Oh interesting, am I interested in this? Do I want to collect this? Oh, it's evolving over here. Do I like that? Just watching it move around? The meta is what I'm interested in, I guess. So it's gonna keep moving and evolving, and I think one day, I don't know what chains will be the ones that we collect on. You know what I mean. So it's, who knows, I'm gonna keep collecting, collecting kind of everywhere. I mean, I am of the opinion of like, I prefer, like Ethan Ordinals, if I'm like buying art, quote unquote. You know, solana, any, any L2 makes me feel a little nervous, you know, right, right, they can be shut down, so, but at the same time I'm OK. Buying things that are temporary, I guess, because you know that's the thing too is like people want to be like this art's all forever and it's like no, maybe not like, you know, whatever.

Beginbot: 14:09

I'm a computer programmer and, as you, if you talk through disaster scenarios, right, like you know, amazon S3 is more resilient than Solana. Right, the likelihood of S3 going down is more resilient, probably, than Solana, like S3, they've said they've been able to guarantee nine nines. Right, solana's at no nines, you know. So it's like. But then we're like, oh my God, it's on AWS, it's ephemeral and it's like what are you putting it on right? So, like, I think the debate of what's permanent is, you know, we're not fully having it, but it gets really nerdy and technical, like insanely nerdy and technical and no one wants to talk about it.

Beginbot: 14:46

But if you collect sneakers, if you collect, you know, early jordans, they're all crumbled in the box. You know who cares. Right, if you collect paintings, they degrade over time. Right, things get, things go wrong, things get lost, thing.

Beginbot: 14:59

That's why death thief entropy is the greatest piece of art in blockchain of all time, because as you trade it, it decays. He's put it in the art as a comic. I'm sorry, I don't have any. All I have from death beep is like I have no entropy, I have no synpoems. All the things I want, I want to own, they're too expensive, so I'm not even pumped. I've been pumping myself out of this bag forever just just to know. But I will keep. I will keep shilling death beef because he just comes up 24-7 as you talk about these things. Same with like the first. It's the first, you know. It comes up every week because someone's like no, you guys don't understand, this is good art. This is the first time on Solana we've done gen art that has a PFP look right. And the first one that time we did it on Art Block.

NorCal Guy: 15:40

That was a rambly mess. I don't know what's going on. That was a rambly mess, I love it. I love it, I love it. Do you have any? Well, there's a couple of things we can go, but do you have any concerns as as this, as this expands this whole scene?

Beginbot: 15:54

Well, I mean, like the, the concern always is and I always and everyone knows me, I'm I like to argue about stuff and it's fun for me, I it's fun for me. I don't look at it as like a negative thing when I get together with my friends. If we talk about metal I mean I did it the other night just randomly with some new friends, we're all crypto friends but then we end up arguing about metal for an hour, right, and that's enjoyable. That's what I like about being interested in something is the deeper conversation and like if you're into anything, people are so opinionated. Talk to the top sneakerheads. It's like every shoe is like disgusting, whatever. Ask a sneakerhead what they think about a panda dunk it's a black and white dunk. They're like disgusting, never let that touch my feet. And they think that because they love the world they're in.

Beginbot: 16:37

And I think in crypto art we have this big problem where, you know, no one wants to talk about the bad stuff. No one wants to talk about the bad stuff, no one wants to criticize each other, no one wants to bust balls. And when people who like art come over, I've had friends come over who like are just art nerds and they're like you guys are the worst you guys will. Are so afraid to say anything isn't the greatest art on earth. You're, we're afraid to get opinions and it's all gonna die. Because my personal opinion is like real scenes, like small niche communities, is what builds stuff, not a thousand people giving some casual time in those, really like intense lovers of something. You know the fanatics right, they're critical, they're highly critical. So my fear always is just the echo chamber of like don't ever insult anything it's gonna kill everything.

Beginbot: 17:18

And then the artist will go somewhere else, like I. I think they'll all go to ai and then there'll be an ai art for a little bit and they'll be. Everyone will be like you're ruining the world and they'll be fighting with each other. And then it will get mainstream and it goes guys, we're getting, we're getting popular. No one insult each other's ai art, we could all get rich. And then that'll collapse and we'll move on to I don't know what you know fair, fair.

NorCal Guy: 17:39

So you kind of mentioned about like I don't remember exactly what triggered it, but are you a one ETH one equals one ETH kind of guy or how? Oh you know what triggered it is collecting across all these different chains, yeah, and we're pricing in all these different currencies, yeah.

Beginbot: 17:58

Yeah, I mean, it's just tough because, like you know, are you going to sell something or not, right? That's the question of when something becomes we are. This is one of the weirdest markets, right, where, and you see it? I keep bringing it back to sneakers, but we've watched all this stuff happen in sneakers before StockX came out and built a little, you know, a real-time stock index, which they didn't you know for sneaker pricing, and then everything got driven down to the lowest price because everyone was constantly thinking about what, how much does my shoe cost?

Beginbot: 18:22

When things were more niche and collectible, you don't know how much you can get because you're not out there selling it. You've got to find a buyer, and if you have rare items, you've got to find a buyer with something. And so you're looking at a shoe or, you know, looking at a piece of art you like on your wall, and you're like, yeah, okay, cool, I think it's good, I think the artist is going somewhere, I think it's great. You're not every day logging on and going. Did it go up? Did it go down? That's like the dorkiest thing in the world. If you buy a piece of art like, oh, my god, guys, my art is worth slightly more now, oh, it's worth slightly less. It's like no one did that for anything that they collected, that they loved and went really, really up in price over time.

Beginbot: 18:56

So I think that the micro-watching of any art does like screw things up. There is insane, like what do you call it? Unit bias. It's wild, I know, I feel it. I like literally in my head, solana, solana's free. I don't know how much 10 Solana is right. And then I look at ETH and I'm like, oh, it's expensive. And then I look at Bitcoin, there's so many zeros in front of stuff. I'm like it can't be that much. And then I said, dude, I spent, I gambled how much in Solana and like I bought that for what? And then I take like ETH to me feels a little more valuable. Yeah, if that makes sense, that's just my own. Like my dumb brain has priced stuff a certain way, so I don't know, I'm not a one e equals one e kind of guy.

Beginbot: 19:38

However, there is a thing like if, when e goes down and you sell a piece for 40 eath, e goes back up and it's like that's a 40 eath sale and everyone's like nice job, you killed it. Like I think the move is, if any any dip you have as an artist, you got to get out there and get those high number sales so they can repump. You got to get out there and pound the pavement and get the. You know that it might even be good. It's actually good for the collector too. This is very bad, but good for the collector because if the collector is like, look at how much more I spent, right, if eat that 5 000 versus eat that 3 000, right, I want to make sure I sell that piece, I'll pay a little bit more. If I think if I caught a dip, you know, because it we look both better, oh, this is bad I like art, okay, not money, I swear, oh man.

NorCal Guy: 20:21

Yeah, so good times, good times. But yeah, I got that unit binaries too well, when I was doing some meme coins on solana, my problem was like I'm was thinking in eth, but I'm on soul and, like man, why am I like so, so afraid to spend a couple of Sol where it's not even worth it? I'm thinking in ETH terms. I'm like frick man. I could have done better on BOM.

Beginbot: 20:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bom is such a beautiful, immaculate conception that will never happen.

Beginbot: 20:57

It's like the art of B boom is so great and I I mean, like you know, I didn't do. All I did is I put one soul into boom, right, and that was great, that worked out great for me. I was very happy, right. But I literally put it in and I DM some friends and I was like, oh, it's dark farms, like, and I double trying to buy pieces from him that he weren't for sale yet. Right, he would post some. And I'm like I want that one dark farm, so you sell to me. It's not available. And I'm like okay.

Beginbot: 21:21

So when he first posted it, I was like is he hacked? Is this the right one? I clicked, I'm like, oh, it's the same guy who I'm dming with. Like, I don't think he was hacked. And I was like worst case scenario I lose a soul. Best case scenario I get some art, thinking no, else, you know nothing else. And like, a lot of my friends thought that way, no one's ever gonna think right, right, you know what I mean, that that way is dead. So it's, you know, immaculate conception once in a lifetime. Just bye, boom, that was fun, you know, even though you couldn't hold it and do whatever. But you know what I mean. We're just not gonna see another like an artist puts out a pre-sale and it hits a billion in a day like no um, all right.

NorCal Guy: 21:55

So what would you like to see more of in this crypto art space?

Beginbot: 22:02

I mean so right now, when I think about like what is interesting in art, I do think there's a lot of things to explore, like chain wise and the actual like the way we use the chain and commentate on it, I think is very interesting, right, so BOM even is part of that. Right, like it's a it's a commentary on meme coins. I don't really think it's very interesting, right, so BOM even is part of that. Right, like it's a commentary on meme coins. I don't really think it was necessarily that, but like using people and what is happening here and commenting on it is like interesting. I think Stevie P's another good example of that.

Beginbot: 22:26

I saw he put out a great tweet today where his favorite killing it right, I like, I love that, I love like die with the most likes, like in martha, his like uh show was just, it was a world. You stepped into it. There's creed nickelback playing right, there's a table full of various various things to trade. You know it was like a world was built that was distinctly his world and we get to like step into it and it's like a moment in time, that's. You know, I'm always going to remember that show of you.

Beginbot: 22:58

Know, people are trading dildos for art. People are trading you know what I mean like people are going to the gas station buying things like I gotta, I need a piece of that with the most likes, let's get to the gas station, okay, they got something good there, and it's like that mentality being able to trigger that, I think, is just a super fun memory that people will have. So I want to see people build their their own worlds more and not which I see. It seems like a lot of art we see is like we're all trying to like. We just want to keep getting fancier and nicer and get into MoMA and we want to make sure that we're moving the ladder up correctly and I'm like I want wild shit, I want crazy parties, I want art that's shocking and scary and like is this a?

Beginbot: 23:32

scam. Is this not like, like something that I'm not going to be like that? That's the most perfectly aesthetic thing and the mint mechanics were perfect and I think this could go into the memo one day. You know which is like. You know, I don't know, the, the, the MoMA, the. You know the best pieces of art in the MoMA? They're all, they're all old. Okay, you know what I mean. They like more dangerous, right, people go to Rafik and it's like the ultimate Instagram shot, right, and it's why it's like one of the most popular exhibits. But it's just like, I don't know, it's not angering enough people. But this is the problem. I have a problem. I like things that anger people, that's. I'm working through it with my therapist, but then I read art history and I read like arguments between the artists I love and it's like they're fighting. You know what I mean. Like William de Kooning is punch Jackson Pollock. They're arguing about art. You know that's where. Yeah, I'm not trying to. No, no violence, no violence.

NorCal Guy: 24:25

Okay, twitter punch, okay just the crypto boxing scene.

Beginbot: 24:29

That's it, yeah, yeah yeah, I feel like that one. It's already dying right now after someone's seeing like Ansem did one and it was like well, this was not good for the brand. We're not getting paid enough. The big influencer is getting enough. This is, you know, I don't know. I mean, I will say like, I'm very interested in like, like art, that is would be censored and you can get on a chain and have it and then you know people can't censor it. That's why Ordinals is interesting this idea of like bitcoin maxi's hating that you're inscribing stuff or on there and then being like haha, you have to sync with art and guess what the art you hate and it's offensive in this way to you, for you know that I really love the idea of people be like oh my god, I'm importing art into my home that I don't want. I'm trying to secure the monetary future.

Beginbot: 25:13

I'm a libertarian, or whatever they say. That that's appealing to me. Uh, you know, art that, like on ETH, is using the mechanics in a way that, like it forces people to learn what's happening, but it exposes, like the, the dark side of it. I think that's super interesting. I love when someone's like in the art and it's like wait, what's going? Wait, this is how you know. That's why I think it's not saying I'm not saying fake, scammy stuff. I've been debating this myself a bit. I put a tweet out just yesterday that was talking about AI scamming. You want to teach someone about AI scamming and build a tool to help them practice. You're doing the same thing as building something to scam someone, right? And there's this weird line in crypto art and I like that line where it's like OK, so, okay, so it's, it's art, but it is scammy. But no, no, no. The point is that we're commentating on the scams. I think that's a really interesting world. Please, don't get scammed, please, everyone. I'm so sorry that I'm recommending this style of art.

NorCal Guy: 26:09

You know, it's just exciting to talk about.

Beginbot: 26:11

Like I I'm not interested in like new aesthetics. Like I like I'm a very. Um, I always Like I, like I'm a very. I always tell people I'm like I'm a stupid anti-intellectual when it comes to art. Like I got into art running through the museums in DC they're free, you can run through them and I literally just ran, ran, ran, ran, ran. I was like what do I like? What do I like and done.

Beginbot: 26:38

And then I was like super hyped on, like I'm like I don't know man, they're making me feel something weird, these weird little alien guys like how did he see aliens? And then from there it's like I find out, oh my, he's, you know, selling these for 100 million dollars. I'm like, oh my god. But like, if you, if you approach it from the 100 million right away, your brain is always clouded, right. So I want like things that appeal like a base level aesthetically and I feel like we're really like a lot of you know, whatever crypto art right now People are going after a good aesthetic and like trying to make something that people will like versus like this is some twisted stuff for my brain.

Beginbot: 27:17

I think I'm just ranting but like hr geiger feels like something's coming out of him. You know what I mean. You see that he wasn't like hmm, I think this would be really the workshop, the aliens they're gonna like more and more, more weird sex aliens. It was like, dude, I got something weird in my brain that I just keep spitting out and then people react to that. So, like, I just feel like I don't see a lot of artists do that, I'm looking for it. So there are aesthetics that I could like. I just feel like a lot of people are too intellectualized. They're too yeah, all right, fair, I like dumb, I like what is it called? I like what is it called. I'll leave it happening.

NorCal Guy: 28:10

I'm shilling like I don't know man I look at them and like there's something about the way that he holds that hot dog that feels like not intentional but intentionally, you know. Okay, sorry, I will never mention a bag. I have, don't worry what. So what is the best?

Beginbot: 28:19

advice you've been given or do you have like a mantra that you live by? You know, yeah, I have like two things. I guess I'm pretty I think a lot about Right. So one is what is the primary information you're taking in? That's one of the biggest problem thing we have in this space is no one pulls in like new everything. Here's a tweet summary of a thread of an artist. I learned about the artist and they never say, okay, stop, let's look at the artist art, let's block some time off. And I'm gonna go through each piece, write my feelings, ponder, go to the next one, read the artist statement and like get my own primary. It's all layered on layers of stuff. And then the other is it's really it's the primary information.

Beginbot: 28:53

Is like, look for spaces that other people aren't interested. That like really tickles your brain. When there's weird things that I'm like dude, I can't stop thinking about, I always this is a weird one. But when I was a kid I saw plaids and I was like dude, what the hell are these like? I want to look at these all day, like wait, they mean things I want. And then everyone's like what are you doing? What's wrong with you? Like, why do you care about these, this, but this pattern so much and I'm like like I don't know I it's a weird little tick disease in my brain and so I'm going to follow that. We have to like, be open to, like man, this subsection of the world is really interesting me. And then just go you know full autist, and just say, okay, great, but bust out the spreadsheets. I'm a spreadsheet boy, bust out the list, you know.

Beginbot: 29:39

So yeah, but I always encourage people read books that are not related to the current topic that everyone's talking about. It's insane. Everyone's like. You know, even today, like the punks nina chanel thing, people are going to go and like learn about nina chanel. That's awesome, that's great. You know, cool about an artist. But they're going to read like summaries and this and that and whatnot. I'm going to be like, okay, who is she influenced by? Okay, who's in that category? All right, I'm gonna learn about that random person. There's gonna be a threat. Everyone's gonna read the same stuff and they're gonna give me the summary. If we know the whole space is gonna focus on it. I'm gonna go over here and be like did you know? One of our influences did this other cool thing and that's actually a boom. I've got something interesting to contribute to the conversation instead of this, like you know, I don't know or a boris of or a boris of twitter thread. Summarizing Twitter thread. Summarizing Twitter thread. That's fair.

NorCal Guy: 30:19

That's fair so switching it up a little bit, if you could live or move anywhere, where would you live and why?

Beginbot: 30:28

so I'm gonna hate. I'm just people gonna hate this. You know, I live in Venice, california. Okay, it's the dream. All right, I built the dream. Okay, I'm two blocks away from a gorgeous studio. The beach is a couple blocks away. Here, I've got friends living around me.

Beginbot: 30:40

So, like right now I really like where I live and I've been to other places in the world. I mean, like I'm a fashion nerd and tokyo is like endlessly fascinating for a trillion reasons. And when you go there, I'm just like I literally went there and I was like oh great, every store I've ever been in shopping wise is terrible. We have no care for detail. We are lazy, lazy. You go to New York and you're just like every store that they have a Tokyo version is like why don't we finish? We didn't finish anything. The light fixtures aren't custom, it doesn't smell a certain way. So I definitely like that. But I've got a personal. I've got many random pictures.

Beginbot: 31:14

As you can probably tell, I'm obsessed with neighborhoods. I'm obsessed with two types of neighborhoods. Right, you got a digital neighborhood, you got a physical neighborhood, and so I think the most important thing is, can you build a like a group of people around you where it is much more in-person high touch. You know, yesterday we had an AI meetup. It's very casual.

Beginbot: 31:33

We go to a beautiful little spot in Venice, you're outside, we're all trading some information. There's some dogs there, you know, we all build a little things. And then it's like cool, let's all go to lunch, nice lunch outside. You might run into someone random over there. Oh, cool, let's join the convo. It's you need like to be walking and moving around with friends and meeting other friends and letting that serendipity in person happen. I think it's like super important. So like, anywhere you can go and have that density is good, but at the same time and I'm very obsessed with this you got to build that density. You know what I mean. I've done a meetup for two years here and I forced people to move here. I think there's actual people who are like I came here for a week and they've been here for six months because they're like well, there's so many cool people here.

Beginbot: 32:12

I'm like you have to like plant your flag and start like the troops, you know what I mean Like, okay, we're meeting this day, we're doing a lunch this day, we're doing that, and then you can build that world. So I think I can go other places I've been. You know, I might go to North Dakota and I'm going to become friends with the three farmers in the two-mile radius with me and we'll have to do some farmer meetup. I think I could do that. I sometimes dream of it. I know it's going to be tougher and it won't be as many people, but I don't know. Well, even then, like we're going to talk about farming stuff, who cares? We're going to get whatever they're into. They're in a hunting. I will, I got, I'll do a hunting meetup, right, and I won't. I won't probably go hunting. Is that scary? But so I don't know I right now. But it's. It's about where the people are, because who cares? If you're, if you're, even when I would go to tokyo, it's going to take a minute. I'm gonna have to build up friends, build up a scene, build up, like you know, a network, you know.

Beginbot: 33:03

But and then the other side is, I will say, you can be somewhere you know, like that's not so dense with people of the same interest if you got a good online neighborhood and I think a lot of times people don't realize like we. Twitter is not a neighborhood, right. Twitter's new york city. People are yelling from everywhere, blah, blah, blah.

Beginbot: 33:21

Uh, a group chat could technically be a neighborhood if it's like small enough, right, but I've met with my uh discord group of friends that were all like first programmers, then it added crypto people and then it's expanded. All these random people we've met every tuesday, I think three years now, right, and it's like at one point it was like hey, let's, let's, let's make money together. They didn't turn like hey, we're playing games. And then it's like hey, we're sharing our lives together. And now it's like it's just a family home thing you do every week where I'm right, you know I've not met these people all in real life, like a bunch of them. I have never met irl, but I'm like literally like, like, like how's the baby this week? What's going?

Beginbot: 34:03

on right you know it's because it's a online neighborhood as well. So if you are missing one, I think you can go get the other. And I think the key is you have to put this I'm pushing my own you gotta have a schedule. You gotta have. I have one day a week thursday. Every thursday. Everyone knows you come to venice. We have nerds, crypto people all day. We, if you come there at two, you will be there till two at night and you will talk to a thousand weirdos. Just show up on thursdays. And then for me, online, I do tuesdays every tuesday. The people is like well, how long is the call? I'm like till we all pass out I don't know you on and you never know how long it'll go. And sometimes you log back on in the morning Like you guys are still on. It's like we got into this and you're like so just like schedule it. So you know I've been trying to encourage. It's like bowling night. You know everyone needs a bowling night.

NorCal Guy: 34:49

That's good. Do you have a favorite movie quote?

Beginbot: 35:04

Hmm. So just famously, everyone knows I'm a weirdo who likes to do self-imposed bets, so I'm right now on a 10-year bet to not watch a single movie. So, as of right now, it's been five and a half years since I've watched a movie.

NorCal Guy: 35:20

Um, I'm getting a lot of peer pressure right now a lot of, a lot of, a lot of peer pressure.

Beginbot: 35:25

So, like I kind of movies are kind of out of my, they're out of my. I don't. I can't think of any movie quotes right now and I'm a famous movie hater because the only good movies are you filming with dog me 95. I just gotta keep pushing well. Well, one day, if you want to see, I think that the only movies worth watching okay are dog me 95.

Beginbot: 35:46

It's you know, it's a 90s, avant-garde filmmaking, little movement, like I think it's like danish, right, but it's a thousand rules that, like, the films can't be in color, the director can't be credited, no genre movies. There's no fake violence, no temporal location. Moving Music has to all be, I would say, diegetic, not non-die. It's, whatever I like, the world's worst stuff. Everyone hates it. You put on the movies my favorite movie. Growing up I watched it on repeat until my little brother literally was like this is child abuse. You are abusing me. You can't have this on. This is gonna affect my brain in a bad way. I'm like no, no, no. I like to come from from school and put on gummo. It makes me feel comforted and I don't know if you've seen the movie, but it's. There's no discernible good quotes from it. It's, it's a all right, I'm insufferable.

NorCal Guy: 36:36

All right, this going to be a good one. What is the best thing and the silliest thing you've spent money on?

Beginbot: 36:45

Man, okay, I spend a lot of money on silly things. Just what came to my house right now is I have long green screen gloves. I have all the way to the hands. I'm into green screen stuff. I've got two robes, two full wizard robes, right behind me with green screen, green on the inside. Oh man, it's not in this room, it's in the other room. My prized possession is I play music and I like. The worst music is I've got a Korg Miku guitar pedal. I'm not familiar with Miku.

Beginbot: 37:20

She's maybe the first ever like um, she's not ai, but like digital avatar singer. Okay, very famous she. She just played coachella. It's a big deal. You know, people were mad because it was a screen, not a hologram. There's like over 3 000 guys that have married her. But korg made a very rare guitar pedal. That was like way too much money because it was like out of print. No one liked it and it makes your guitar sound like a japanese anime singer which every time you play it and you start playing, people go. What is going? What is your? What are your fingers doing? It's the world's worst guitar player because it tracks horribly.

Beginbot: 37:47

So you have to like practice a ton and then I I know that, like I did, I think I spent like 700 on it. It was so much money and it's just for a joke. Every six months I go guys listen and they're like, okay, good one vegan.

NorCal Guy: 38:02

Like you're just so stupid.

Beginbot: 38:03

I mean, yeah, I'll have to go into the other room one day and pull out all the other weird stuff, but you know, I'm an eBay boy, so I buy just dumb stuff on eBay too, like anything Like. I'm saying, like, if you, I don't know, like I'm pretty interested in McDonald's toys right now I don't know why, vintage McDonald's toys. When I was a child I figured this out.

Beginbot: 38:25

Therapy there was at the library, which is that's the only place my parents you know that was our spot they built a system that tricked us. Where it was an Excel spreadsheet where you would earn books by reading books, where it was an Excel spreadsheet where you would earn books by reading books. And I was like, oh, I'm going to win that and so I'm going to read every book on earth, and now I'm going to get more books, and now I'm rich with books and they're like you idiot, you're just learning about stuff. But yeah, it was a great trick. But then I went to the library. I got really into like the reference section eventually, because you start going through stuff, you read enough dragon and sci-fi books, you're like, and there they had, it was a reference book of every mcdonald's toy and just seeing it in aggregate in the history.

Beginbot: 39:07

It went deep into my brain of like, collect these, collect these and then like this is bad. But kerwin frost, who's an insane artist, he's the guy who actually this is him. This is so weird. Look at, he did his own nugget buddy, brought the nugget buddies back. That's what he looks like. He's got a pencil tattie. That's that's identical to him. He brought them back. And then I was like, well, I gotta get some of these nugget buddies because I used to have an interest in this. Then I hit ebay and I'm like god damn it, I really want that spy set. Oh man, I really want like any stitch. I don't know why. So so I'm pretty I'm deep in that game. I have other. Well, I'm a Rubik's Cube collector too. I don't know what's wrong with me. If you ever come to our studio, everyone gets a Rubik's Cube.

NorCal Guy: 39:45

I buy them in bulk and I get them out and I want you know some other unusual ones.

Beginbot: 39:50

I love it. I spent in my lifetime I probably spend At least $2,000 on Rubik's cubes to give out to people you know. So if you, if you worked at any of the startups I work at and you can ask, ask any of them, uh, at your desk, I would put a Rubik's cube, you know, on every desk and then I'd find it. Oh, my kid's using it. Okay, good, how many kids do you have? Three kids, fantastic. One moment. Your wife has she solved it yet? Uh, one for you. That's awesome. I'm trying to push my obsessions on other people.

NorCal Guy: 40:23

I love it. I love it. I mean I can kind of get the McDonald's toys. I mean because that's nostalgic, huge nostalgic, yeah, totally, because that was like damn, I want a Happy Meal. Can we go get a Happy Meal?

Beginbot: 40:40

Exactly as a kid. It's like the food is the best ever. And then you get into this toy. The Pope stuff is great because I now have people delivering me Pope stuff, which I really love, and that started because, oh my God, I'm an insane person. So every day for a long time I would always start my day off by reading the wikipedia article for the date and you start learning like what happened that day and what's the history. But really once you've done the whole year, you learn like it's the meta of wikipedia.

Beginbot: 41:09

I'm really into wikipedia um, banned from wikipedia currently, for you know, so they don't like my edits, but I'm gonna get back on, but I started reading it and you start finding like what events trigger wikipedia, to put it on the date right, like on the actual day, right, like every year has some world war ii stuff. Everyone has kings and queens, you know, presidents hit stuff, but popes are always on there, right? If a pope does anything, pope news always makes the wikipedia. And so then me and a friend started getting way too into reading actually about each of the popes, and then we started finding out that popes are the most insane characters of all time. And then I got into. I got to plug my website. Well, zanus is the, is the real builder, maintainer. But pope countcom is the only website that gives you a real time update of how many popes there are. The only reason this exists is because we're trying to push that. There's actually another pope who died before he was officially pope, but pope pope stephen ii is a pope whatever. Way too deep into popes and now that's moved into.

Beginbot: 42:07

I just want to collect weird stuff from the pope and there's nothing better than people giving me pope stuff. Well, and garfield. I get a lot of garfield press and I'm pretty deep into garfield too. So a lot of of a lot of friends give me Garfield and Pope stuff and it's funny when other people don't know it and they're just like Beacon. What's going on? Why are people? Why are? Why are they giving you Pope and Garfield things? And you know I I keep them on me. So if you see me in person, we'll just ask how much Pope and Garfield stuff do you have on your person? All right, usually there's some so I love it.

NorCal Guy: 42:38

All right, this one's gonna be a good one. If you could commission a piece and have two artists collab on it, which two artists would it be?

Beginbot: 42:49

That's good, Okay. So no matter what we're doing, death be first, obviously. You've already heard that.

Beginbot: 42:53

Okay that's my guy. He's the yeah, just really love everything he's doing here. Now, one thing I think that's like I mean I got the answer it's death beef and data bots. That's it. Oh, my god, I I need to put that together, okay. So, like I think data bots is the absolute leader in ai music. Like I'm so excited for everything he's done, everything he's gonna do death beef is already done, music stuff, right. I think, like I got the death beef.

Beginbot: 43:16

I did it the other night. Uh, you know, I brought the death beef record in the living room. We had friends over. I pop it on, one friend is like sick and the others are like dude, turn this off, you're ruining the party. It's like, okay, uh, sorry about that. I thought you guys were gonna like this. Um, I think they already have. Like you know, there's some aesthetics that could go together and I think if they worked out something like that was both aesthetics with the AI, plus already what Deathbeef's done, programming like using C and all that, it would be maybe the greatest collection of all time. Okay, and if that happens and I don't get a piece, oh, boy, I'm pissed.

NorCal Guy: 43:51

Okay, I mean, you should get one just like an honorary. Like here you go, Air dropped.

Beginbot: 43:56

Yeah, I'm putting the collab out. I'm messaging I don't, I'm not friends with death beef, I'm friends with databots. Now, hey, what's up databots? Uh, I'm gonna hit him up and be like, hey, you got more clout to be hit up, death beef.

NorCal Guy: 44:06

Let's get this going so fair, fair all right, do you have a hot take? I mean, you've been spitting them the whole time, but do you have one that um stands out that you want to fight about?

Beginbot: 44:22

I mean, yeah, I mean my hot take is, I mean I've been kind of pushing the one message I always am pushing to people, which is just that no one's going to remember 99% of any of this stuff here and the only people that people are going to remember is going to be based off of the storytelling around it. That storytelling could be based off of money and you know, monetary price going up and wildness here, but I think a lot of it's going to be like how they actually fight within the art system and, as time goes on, like who are the people that are involved? Like even right now, like, uh, dimitri, uh, cherniak, you know, in this with this, there's this nick krueger drama, right, and there's, you know, there's some that helpsuder drama, right, and there's, you know there's some that helps Dimitri, right, that helps Dimitri's. Like long-term generative art story.

Beginbot: 45:03

Because when you're going to start talking about gen art, you're going to talk about oh, here's some of the top pieces, here's some of the more expensive ones. I'm going to tell the story of the goose. And why is the goose so expensive? Well, maybe part of the price is keychains being hidden around marfa, and it's like what are you talking about wait. There's more he has drama with another guy. That story I can tell to a normie later on in history books.

Beginbot: 45:23

I can make a fun youtube video I can have a pbs documentary about it that will lead towards it. So, like it's, storytelling is all that matters, for I think what art's going to be lasting long term and the storytelling doesn't need to be. When I was a child I was inspired by it's gonna be how it interacts in the scene. It's gonna be de kooning, punching pollock, you know like that makes the art go on. So I want people to not be afraid from conflict because, like, all the best bands hated each other. If you actually look at it, like, look at your favorite bands, they hated all your other favorite bands. All your favorite artists hate the other artists.

Beginbot: 45:55

I was reading, reading a rauchenberg book and and I'm like, oh, rauschenberg's the greatest, he's the best ever, right, boom, switch to the Donald Judd book and he's like it's not trash like Rauschenberg. I'm like, no Dude, I just thought we, who cares? They're both big. You know what I mean. It all worked out right and it's like the good and bad of like anything. I do this in tech all the time. It's like, oh, there's a framework we want to use or a library I go.

Beginbot: 46:25

Who hates it? You hate it. You got detailed reasons. Tell me and they'll tell you all the reasons they hate it and you will learn why you will want to use it or not. It tells you about criticism, tells you about the good things of art at the same time, in a way. So you know just, everyone needs to be less afraid of criticism and it's, it's all good, it's gonna just have fun.

Beginbot: 46:44

Be nerds and we're allowed to argue about stuff, right, you know, on the timeline or not, I know it hurts our feelings a little bit, but everyone's nicer in person, for sure. You know what I mean. Like everyone is like way cooler in person and they'll be like dude, I didn't like this art, you're mean about it. I'm like you might talk a little bit and go oh yeah, of course you wouldn't like it. You have the world's worst taste in art. You know what I mean. Like I'll like I tell people I don't like music. You know some music and like well, what do you like? And I'm like oh, I like literal noise, right, like I'm a, I like purient, I like mersbo, right it. You know I'm wearing a young thug hat. People listen to Young Thug and they're like this is the world's worst. He's saying I can't hear a word. He's saying I'm like, yes, it's post-lyrical, it's actually, you know it's. He's being studied by Columbia. So it's like we're allowed to have taste and our taste is not going to be unified right.

Beginbot: 47:42

I love it. Let's hear about any projects you have or anything you'd like to plug. Talk about that you're doing. Yeah, so right now, I mean, so I do have. Well, I don't know if I want to tell you something. Well, here I'll tell you my interest. Okay, I'll tell you my interest in what I'm working on. Okay, so I am working on some personal art projects, but I'm the world's worst human.

Beginbot: 47:57

So actually I started doing generative art like 2015,. Right, Because I was a coder and code's beautiful and I'm living in code all day. And so I started making, like, but there was no generative art scene. I'm just alone making, you know, programs calling them untitled number one and like, working on, like, what do I like of the aesthetics and stuff like that, and but I just never released things right. And then I was a musician making, as you can probably guess, very weird music that was then mixed with visuals. So it's like these notes affect these visuals on a screen and I'm using Max MSP to link the two and stuff like that, but never released anything.

Beginbot: 48:28

So I've done a lot of digging of like, okay, well, what is actually very, very, very interesting right now? What do we think is going to be last in art. What is something meaty that I want to get into and this is something I'm working on, but I want anyone else to do it too is for AI stuff, and if you've ever watched my programming streams, people will know what this means. It's insane. But real time input from people and how that can affect people like emotionally, is the most interesting aspect of AI and like we're exploring it like so little meaning that I learned about you, I heard, I heard a rumor you're you're a sierra nevada drinker is that.

Beginbot: 48:59

True, that's my only beer. Everyone knows me. If they bring, I'm being 100, I only if you see me on stage I'm trying to get a sponsorship. They offer the kombucha. I said no pale ale or bust. Okay, I probably fucked up that relationship there. Um, okay, but uh. But see, I know that about you, yeah, right, and then all of a sudden we, I'm trying to create some art on the fly. You come into a gallery and I know I show a, I don't know. It's a dad sitting back in his chair. Meant to be a Norman Rockwell painting, but then it's a Sierra Nevada. It triggers a little. It's a little deeper to you.

Beginbot: 49:32

The next person walks in, it's the wine. They drank.

NorCal Guy: 49:36

The next person walks in, it's their Manhattan.

Beginbot: 49:39

You can. It's, it's, it's the wine they drink. The next person walks in, yeah, yeah that you can affect people so much more emotionally if you match up towards them, which is exactly what ai is doing right now with algorithms to give us exactly what we like. The tiktok algorithm is crazy to show people mine and they're like dude, what are you into? This is wild, right. It's like the algorithm knows it's finding true stuff, and so I think that world of AI is like endlessly fascinating.

Beginbot: 50:00

So how do you make art that is reacting to the individual person in real time or semi real time, or you know, we could talk about what real time means and giving them that art experience? So I'm just I've been building a bunch of tools and stuff like that and I did. I did I've shown up, I've written proposals and I'm working on coding stuff. And I did show I've shown up, I've written proposals and I'm working on coding stuff. And I did show a couple friends, a couple art friends, and they said this is disturbing. So I'm like I don't know if I'm onto it.

Beginbot: 50:25

They were like what are you trying to do? I'm not going to do this, and I was like someone's going to do it, so it might all fall apart. I'm going to get. No one's going to want to go into my tunnel, my chamber, and see AI. That is for them, because my goal is what's the point of art here? I want to make them cry, scream If someone breaks. I would like, ideally, someone to see the art and immediately be like I have to rip this off the walls. Barnett Newman getting his piece slashed with a knife. We want to trigger that. But to trigger that, I didn't know about you, I don't know and give me just give me access to your Twitter, give me access to your.

Beginbot: 51:03

You know your parents' voices If you could give me access to your pictures of your dog.

NorCal Guy: 51:05

It's like so yeah, do you remember that movie, the game? I think it was called the game. No, no, what's with, like Michael Doug? Was it Kurt Michael? I think Kurt Douglas, we love Michael Douglas. Anyways, he like filled out this like huge questionnaire and did it and then like went on this like crazy journey and it all ended up being like this birthday surprise, but it was like hitting him on all sorts of weird things and like conquering his fears and everything.

NorCal Guy: 51:34

Because he filled out this weird ass survey that was like a hundred pages and cause his brother like gave him this thing. I like that's crazy and everything. Because he filled out this weird ass survey that was like 100 pages and because his brother like gave him this thing.

Beginbot: 51:41

I like that's crazy the idea of like being, like, like. I have to conquer my fears. It's like why. It's like it was a birthday present.

NorCal Guy: 51:47

I don't fully understand what happened, but it was a good birthday, so that sounds good to me, but yeah, no, it's along those lines like so you can get to know that person and then you can be like really mess with them or do good for them or whatever, but yeah I like that. I like that. That sounds great.

Beginbot: 52:01

I mean, it sounds like you could do it I will say on the, on the non-art side, I mean, uh, because you know, uh, you know, I'm in venice. We're doing shows like every single week and we're just trying to like scale them up, make them more fun, make like, I think, so much content. If you go watch any panels, right, they're always, you know, dry. Let me talk about my life, like arguing in conflict and like fun is like I do want to be intellectual too, like, but it's like I look at it. It's like more like professional wrestling, right, where it's the storytelling mixed with some you know, I might change my opinions from time to time no big deal, uh, and that's you can get deeper in conversations by two people agreeing. One person switches sides. You can go further in it. So we're trying to.

Beginbot: 52:37

We do an ordinal show now, we do an art show, we do just kind of a generic crypto show. So just how can I just bring more of those conversations anywhere? I'm hopefully gonna. I started off doing this with programming. All this was teaching people programming uh, okay, it's just a little.

Beginbot: 52:50

You know it's a little harder to make interesting and fun. However, I think now we we're getting closer on it. So, like anyone out there who like, wants to, you know, create fun content, that's a little bit, not not more dangerous isn't the word, but just like more fast moving more exciting, more confrontational. Like hit me up, I want to help, just want to make as much of that this.

NorCal Guy: 53:09

I love it well, beacon, I just want to say thank you so much for coming on the show and, man, I enjoyed this conversation so much and, uh, dude, it was awesome and man I enjoyed this conversation. So much and dude. It was awesome and, man, I can't wait to when are you?

Beginbot: 53:23

coming down to Venice.

NorCal Guy: 53:24

That's what I'm saying. I mean, I need to plan a day and come down for a weekend or something, 100% yeah, plan a day, anyway.

Beginbot: 53:32

No, no, actually, truthfully, it happens to everyone, happens again, even OG, who was on our show this week. He's like I fly out before I leave and I'm like sure you do, of course you fly out before the next show, and then all of a sudden the show. Okay, I'm here a little bit longer and boom, we had him on the show and then I think he was already planning on it. It wasn't because of us. There's many reasons to move to LA, but I'm like that's how it is. I'm just saying like SoCal guy is not the world's worst rebrand, you know what I mean. It's kind of close, you know, fair fair.

Beginbot: 54:01

Cool.

NorCal Guy: 54:03

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