Jules - Artist

What if you could seamlessly transition from the world of fashion to the groundbreaking realm of crypto art? Join us as we chat with the multifaceted Jules, an artist who has done just that. Jules takes us on a captivating journey through his career, sharing his initial impressions of digital art, the significance of a gratitude mindset, and his innovative techniques for nurturing creativity and continuous improvement. From managing a Cold Stone Creamery to making waves in fashion photography, Jules' story is a testament to the power of positivity and embracing life's opportunities.

In this episode, we explore how Jules balances creative work with a fulfilling life outside of art, drawing inspiration from vibrant cities like New York. He offers valuable advice for artists entering the crypto art space and reflects on the supportive nature of the community. The discussion touches on topics such as navigating uncertainties in the digital art world, the distinction between editions and one-of-one artworks, and the challenges of engaging with supporters. Jules' unique perspective provides a fresh look at the ever-evolving landscape of digital art.

We also dive into Jules' current projects, including his latest work, "Everything All Together Now," which has been in development since November. He shares insights into his creative process, the importance of having a clear direction, and the commitment required to bring his ideas to life. This episode is a treasure trove of inspiration, sprinkled with light-hearted banter about animals and favorite foods. Join us for an insightful and heartwarming conversation that celebrates the vibrant world of crypto art and the innovative individuals who shape it.

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Transcript

Jules: 0:00

Who is this? Who is this guy?

NorCal Guy: 0:02

Who is this guy? Who is this guy? Who is this guy?

Jules: 0:06

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NorCal Guy: 0:30

What the sh-. What the sh hey, everyone, welcome back to another episode of NorCal and Shill. Today we have the pleasure of chatting with the incredibly talented Jules, an artist with a fascinating journey from the fashion industry to the dynamic realm of crypto art. Join us as Jules shares his initial impressions of the digital art space, the importance of gratitude and his approach to creativity and continuous improvement. We'll delve into his unique perspectives on editions and one-of-one artworks, the future of digital art and the inspiring support within the innovative community. Plus, you'll hear some delightful banter about animals, foodie favorites and much more. Tune in for an insightful and heartwarming conversation that celebrates the vibrant world of crypto art and the individuals who shape it. Everybody, please welcome Jules. Hey, jules, welcome to the podcast. How are you doing today?

Jules: 1:34

I'm doing well. Thanks for having me, NorCal guy.

NorCal Guy: 1:38

Man, I will just say that you are one of my faves in the space ever since I met you and actually got to know you Because I didn't really know you before that and every time we meet in person I'm just like man. I want to just hang out with this guy more and more often. It's true.

Jules: 2:03

Those are kind words, I don't take them lightly. Um, super enjoyed getting to know. You need to get to know you more you know we have. I think we have a lot of shared common interests, so looking forward to this chat and many more in the future. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. Favorite in the space man.

NorCal Guy: 2:20

High praise, high praise man, we just it's just like very chill, like I enjoy people I can just like chill with, have a drink and just like shoot the shit or talk about something you know and not have to like worry about it being like I don't know, getting into some sort of argument about something stupid.

Jules: 2:44

Yeah, we can do that too. That's always on the table If you want to do that. It's really a testament to like crypto world at large. I think it's attracted different minded people, but like-minded people, and so you get these different groups of people and over the last few years, things have shifted and now we found each other, which is, you know the end, all but no I. I'm always surprised. It's like I'm meeting my lifelong friends. It's amazing, yeah it's been awesome.

NorCal Guy: 3:13

So what were your first thoughts when you heard about this crypto art space?

Jules: 3:20

my first thoughts when I heard about the crypto art space. I think it was, you know, it was a long time ago. At the time, you know, I had friends that were, you know, kind of involved in the first nifty gateway drops. And so a little, a little shock, like, wow, this is, this is nuts, you know. But um, I think, quickly after that realized like it makes a lot of sense, this is where my art and practice can live, and, uh, I better get to work. That's kind of my yeah, my thought, my thought, my thinking train, this is crazy. Holy shit, this makes a lot of sense. I have a lot of work to do, I like it, I like it. So what brought you to art? How did you choose art? It's such a big question, I think.

Jules: 4:17

In my late teens I had an opportunity to work a lot in the fashion industry and I got to work alongside big, big productions with great you know greats in that field, great designers, and kind of found that I think that was a really my big introduction to art, although at the time I don't know if I saw it as, like you know, I'm a part of this art project, but every time a fashion shoot happens or a show happens, like these are art projects and there's some creative that's executing their vision, and I got to be a small part of that vision along the way.

Jules: 4:55

Um, but for me, like I, I wanted, I wanted more from that and so I thought how I could, uh, make my own visions, and the segue for me was photography and taking photos and kind of conceptualizing things through a lens, and then just experimentation and iteration until I was just kind of making weird GIFs on the Internet and different tools and videos and storytelling and kind of ended up in this path here where you know I'd say largely it's just it's crypto art or art that fits really well in this. You know, in this crypto space, say, late teens, it's kind of seen. Seen that, which was awesome. Lots of learnings along the way I love that.

NorCal Guy: 5:37

So what jobs have you done along the way?

Jules: 5:42

from that I mean like I, like you know, like in high school even like oh man, I used to scrub the floors.

NorCal Guy: 5:49

It sucked. But yeah, like, where have you come from?

Jules: 5:57

I was the youngest shift manager at cold stone creamery, which is something I still hold with pride. So I I got a job at 14. We needed money at the time. Some of my family was just out of work. So I got a job at 14, worked at Cold Stone Creamery. I had a side business at a Cold Stone Creamery where I sold flowers even back then Different flowers at the time, but flowers out of Cold Stone Creamery, I can't say anything was a bad job. Like I loved working there. It was so much fun.

Jules: 6:28

And then worked at a streetwear um streetwear shop for a long time and you know I was big into skating and streetwear and kind of kept my side business going until I was about 18 and then I stopped selling flowers and and moved to new york and I, you know I was. I worked in a gym for a little bit and kind of fumbled my way in some fashion gig. I was a photo assistant for years. I don't have a shitty job experience. I enjoy working, I like being valuable and whether it was serving scoops or lacing up people's shoes, I've enjoyed all of it. No shitty experience.

NorCal Guy: 7:04

Oh man, that's awesome, that is a great attitude. Like I think some of that uh is all in like the attitude and how you approach it and, um, you know something like I I work with my kids about like how you approach your day, like you can decide if it's going to be a good day or not. You can approach things where you just make the best out of it and have a positive attitude and not approach it with this negative attitude. And I think that just shows because I think of you as this super positive guy and it just shows from your work history there you just approach everything like with this like let's go get it attitude May flatten flattery today.

Jules: 7:50

It's good, I think it's a good thing to instill in anybody right, like there's two ways to look at anything, you know. But the reality is for most of us, anyone that's going to watch this, anyone that's on Twitter trading coins, is we are so lucky. We are all so lucky. If you are an artist that is not selling, you're super lucky to have the opportunity to. If you're a collector whose bags are down bad, you know you're. You're lucky to have had that opportunity to collect. It's like across the board and again, it's bad days are bad. Days come and you can. You know you can feel shitty about stuff, but we're all so lucky to work out. Let's be real I did, I got to. I got to serve scoops man, I got free ice cream.

Jules: 8:35

You know that was awesome you know how many smiles I got to. It's funny. That was like a blip, an eight month job, but that was great. It's a lucky job. I love it, love it, uh, but no, I I think it's good, like, yeah, good, good, good on you, good pops man, you choose, you choose your day yeah, it's true.

NorCal Guy: 8:52

So what are the best things about web three today?

Jules: 8:59

the people. I think it's the people. Um, I get to meet folks all the time and, um, kind of what's what I said earlier, it's like you get, you know you, I really feel like I'm meeting lifelong friends here and that's a huge, a huge plus. I think you know it's. It's the kind of people there are. There are people that are trying to innovate here. There are artists trying to push to the max of their craft. Um, there are patrons of both of those things, whether you know it's, it's technical, technological innovation, or you know someone supporting an artist, and so there's this wonderful storm of people. That is the best. I think it's the best. I mean, don't get me wrong, there's shit out there, but I think if you put out the good stuff, so it's for other people.

NorCal Guy: 9:54

Yeah, so where do you see this digital art space in five years and do you have any concerns as it expands?

Jules: 10:06

I'd be lying if I told you I had a thought about it in five years. I'm so focused on what I'm working on and trying to put out the best work that I've ever done, and thinking about where I see my living in this space and should probably be looking forward to where the space is going, but largely living within. You know, how can I, how can I control those things, and so I'll be the best contributor that I can to this space. I don't I think it's still the jury's still out on where it goes. I think largely it goes it. You know it leans, positive and productive.

Jules: 10:54

What would you like to see more of in this crypto art space? What would I like to see more of in this crypto art space? I think that there's a really great opportunity to to bet on more people and bet on more companies and brands, and I think that a lot of what you see are things that are siloed either into, you know, chosen winners or like high speculation assets, and I think that there's this opportunity in the middle, where there are, you know, proven products or brands that could be supported. Um, or you know other artists that might be, you know, putting out good work that that don't get a look. Um, so I think you know again, it's not something I sit and complain about. I'm just trying to get as successful as I can so I can do that myself. Right, that's the, that's the goal, but I'd like to see more of it, and so I'll try to be that. Be that change, right For sure, for sure.

NorCal Guy: 11:55

So does one ETH equal one ETH.

Jules: 12:01

Not to me, not to me, no to me, no, does it equal one-eighth to you? No, yeah, no, everything is bound, everything is constructed against some other anchor. You could say the same about an artist like is is one x copy equal one x copy? Uh, not always, right, right right, it's true you know nothing. There's no one-to-ones out here, so one car equal one car, no so does supply matter for me or just at large for you or at large I guess you do, let's do both like.

NorCal Guy: 12:51

Do you approach supply like with a certain uh approach, and then do you think others should approach it differently, or that I mean everyone, I guess, will ultimately have their own way but. But like what's your your ideas on supply?

Jules: 13:08

I think, I believe that the that you know, supply and demand exists, even in this space. I think that can look very different for every, every artist. I think it largely depends on how you distribute work. Is a large supply supply a part of your craft? I use Jack Butcher as an example. I think he's done an incredible job making supply like this, non, this silly point. I don't think we worry about Jack Butcher oversupply. He's like creating tons of tokens and they all have a place and they make a lot of sense. I think, on the opposite of that, you look at like a joe pease who has been super tight with supply and has this, this different, different path with how he distributes work.

Jules: 13:55

Um, and for me, as someone who I lean into the to the lower supply not because I'm against, like you know, putting out tons of tokens and putting out tons of art. I create and take my time very slowly and spend a lot of time with the work and I'm thinking about this like a building as slowly as it takes me to create and I just don't. I'm not in any rush to have millions of artworks out there. That doesn't mean I make them. I'm also super precious with the blockchain, like I think that you should. I bought into the permanence of crypto art. Like you're putting your digital work on a chain that's going to to live forever, and I treat that with a certain respect where I don't want to put shit on there, right, so that's that's where my supply comes in. Like is this does this deserve to live forever? Ah?

NorCal Guy: 14:55

okay, all right, that's a good approach. I like that approach a lot. That's a good way. So what are your thoughts on additions and one-on-ones and how you can work with them together?

Jules: 15:16

You know, I think, from a creative standpoint, like you treat, I treat everything the same. I give everything the same amount of love. If I'm collecting work, I'm looking at additions as like a you know, a support. Along the way, ones become this kind of special bond between this create, this output, and this artist and the collector, and I think that's unique, right that that closed loop is pretty unique, um, and if you are creating and you would like to create more of those unique closed loops, put out more one at once. If you would like a network effect at large and have more people, then put out more additions. If you want a little bit of both, you know, I think there's there's room to sprinkle those in as well, all right all right.

NorCal Guy: 15:58

So if you were an animal, what would you be and why?

Jules: 16:06

what would I be? Um, I you know, I think we'd all wish we could be a dog. Maybe, I don't know. I'd probably somewhere between a dog and a penguin or something.

NorCal Guy: 16:17

I don't know why.

Jules: 16:19

A penguin just because you know what animal would you be. Markel, I go with octopus. Ooh, smart, smart. That's a fun one. That's a smart animal. I don't know on one it's a smart animal, I don't know. I think I'd like to be. I'd like to believe that I could be a dog, because they're such a pure animal, but I'm probably probably not, you know all right, all right, fair, fair.

NorCal Guy: 16:48

I'm trying to think it's like an animal that, like, could do jokes, cause I feel like you, you like to have fun and jokes, and the first thing that comes to mind is like a Raven or something.

Jules: 17:02

Ooh, a chimp. Chimps play jokes on each other. Oh, yeah, yeah, ravens, crows, yeah Well, crows are scary a little bit. A murder of crows, scary thing do you have?

NorCal Guy: 17:18

I do like to have fun though. Yeah, yeah, you do. You do so. Do you have a favorite food?

Jules: 17:27

yeah, no, I. I eat everything. I'm definitely a foodie I. My favorite food of all time is probably your biscuits. I had to pick one thing, sure sure sure, sure they come. They're delicious, they're made with love and they come with great company like what else can you ask for that's? True, and that's that's. That's a pretty, it's a pretty magical, that's a magical sauce in those biscuits fair, fair, all right, all right.

NorCal Guy: 18:03

So what's? What's the best piece of advice you've been given, or do you have like a mantra that you kind of live by?

Jules: 18:17

I don't have a no, I don't have like a set of words. You know, I think little bits that you hear along the way. You know, 1% better every day From a creative approach. You know, I'm not waiting for inspiration to come. Sometimes it's just sitting down and doing the work, you know? Yeah, like, so I think I don't have this, I don't have a very clear mantra, but just trying to, you know, trying to do the best with the time that we have, really that's, that's, that's my MO.

NorCal Guy: 18:54

Do you have advice for artists joining this crypto art space?

Jules: 19:03

Yeah, I think, if I my advice for any artists and artists joining the crypto art space maybe, maybe in particular, is like just you know, don't forget. I mean the crypto art space maybe in particular, is like, just you know, don't forget to live life, because what happens outside of making art and trying to find homes for art is what informs the art, and so don't lose sight of all of the things around you in life. That will ultimately, I think, push your creative. You know your creative outputs, your creative process, yeah, and I'm guilty of that.

Jules: 19:38

Like I look back at the last few years where I've been so sucked in to to this, you know, to crypto twitter, and it reflects in the art that I make, which I like right now. But you know I make. I feel like I a lot of my work was reflective of crypto and crypto art, because when I started to put stuff on chain, I was like, okay, you know I'm making this here to live. You know, on Ethereum, in this, you know in most use cases, and so how can I make that a part of the, a part of the output? But you got to go and live life and make, learn, get other stories so that you can make other art.

NorCal Guy: 20:17

Yeah, so if you could live or move anywhere, where would you live and why?

Jules: 20:31

I love living where I live right now.

Jules: 20:34

I lived in New York for a long time and I do miss living in new york.

Jules: 20:38

I think, um, if I could have a different home base, it'd be new york city because of the um there's, there's these you, you get more interactions with people, I get a lot of energy from people and you get these really wonderful interactions from people from all different walks of life, from all different ages, just when you take the subway and you don't get that in a lot of other cities because you're in a car and kind of maneuvering around to a specific place that might have, you know, people that are in a similar walk of life as you, and in New York, or you know other cities that have, I guess, great, you know great transit systems.

Jules: 21:19

It's like you jump into the subway and there's a seven-year-old driving a subway and like a 12-year-old kid and you know 18-year-old break dancing over there and a homeless person on the train and you're just in the car, and so there's this wonderful kind of amalgamation of people and I I feed off of that energetically, and so I'd probably probably move their home base out of there okay, okay, so do you have any questions for me?

Jules: 21:46

yeah, if you could interview one person, dead or alive, who would it be?

NorCal Guy: 21:57

oh, dead or alive, who would it be? I mean, I don't know, man, that's like a tough one. I feel like I like, I feel like Jesus would probably be like the most interesting person to kind of interview, just because I mean like God on earth. So what would you ask? I don't even know, I don't even know. That's the thing I mean. I feel like that would be a conversation where you just be like would have your mind blown Cause you just go down rabbit holes and he would have all the answers, would have your mind blown because you just go down rabbit holes and he would have all the answers. But I feel like I should narrow the question, though, to people that are alive, maybe, and even then that still makes it hard.

NorCal Guy: 22:50

Who would I interview that is alive? That I feel like would be interesting, and that's that's a hard one. I feel like it would be someone like oh, who would be I don't know. There's so many people that I find interesting, so many people that I find interesting, like, even just from like, uh, so recently what's been on my mind is like uh, this guy on youtube, ben ben I think it starts with an s. I forget his name right now, but he's been, he like dives into, like doing like just different weird things and I think it's really fascinating and interesting. Um, it'd be cool to just pick his brain about stuff, about different things currently, with what I'm thinking about or what I'm screwing around with here and there. Um, so that's currently what I, what I would maybe say, like I don't care about interviewing anyone famous or presidents.

Jules: 24:00

I don't care about those people. Let me frame it. Let me put a different lens on the question. Your podcasts are largely with CryptoWeb3 community. If you were to tap into a different community somewhere else, what would that be for? For an interview series? What? What's other? What's NorCal's other hobbies and interests that you would want to get deep in like that?

NorCal Guy: 24:24

Man, I don't have time for anything else. Man, I got kids. I got three kids.

Jules: 24:31

That's true, maybe, maybe, not you must, though, all right, another.

NorCal Guy: 24:35

That's true, maybe, maybe not. Uh, you must, though, all right um another. It'd probably just be like outside of web3, I. I think photographers would be interesting to interview them, not that it'd be more to. It'd have to like refocus it to like get their get stories. Um, not like so. It wouldn't be about techniques or anything, it'd just be about stories, like read up on them and then like get their insights, or or like hey, you know, I heard this rumor about this thing that happened like what really happened there, and get like these funny stories out of them, or something like that, something like that who are some of your favorite photographers oh man, well, that's the problem at large, not just that's the problem.

NorCal Guy: 25:21

Like I, I currently should only know like web3 people. Uh, for the most part like I, I know other names and stuff out there like, and those are all from like youtube as well. Like I think that paulie b, he does street photography in new york and he has his own like walkie-talkie series on youtube which is fascinating, um, because he just like walks and talks with other street photographers and gets their opinions on things. I think that's a really well done like really fun interview thing that he does. That'd be fun. I think he is in Web3, but he does a lot of, I think, ty Leckie, he's like he's our age and he's, but he like lives in Patagonia like all year long, almost all year long, and I think he'd be cool to like follow around and like, cause I'm sure he's got a ton of the cool stories, cause he's all it's like in Patagonia 24 seven. So I think he'd have a lot of cool stories. Um.

Jules: 26:40

I mean lot of cool stories. Um, I mean, ansel adams would be cool to interview, but he's, he's gone. So yeah, that's, that's not gonna happen. Well, maybe if we you know an ai version of him I don't know if there's enough data out there to train, but maybe right, right, but but but a lot of like nature photographers, except for the one street photographer, it sounds like yeah, well, I mean, it's just people I think would be interesting.

NorCal Guy: 26:59

Um, not so. I mean I'm sure like nature photographers probably have some fun. I mean, there's a thing like you either get funny stories from nature like oh man, I like did this, or I had to do this thing and I like didn't have this equipment, or I ran into this animal and like chased me, or something like that. But then street photography is like man, I got knocked the F out by this one dude that. So it'd just be funny stories. It's just different, different, uh, different things that they interact with.

Jules: 27:33

I think photo journalism is going to have the best stories. People that have done like tapped in, you know, either touring or done, you know, or Nat Geo going to crazy parts of the world. Oh yeah, it's going to have some good stories. Got another question for you what is your favorite photo that you've ever taken?

NorCal Guy: 27:56

dude, that is a hard question. Like I have some of my kids I really love and that's like photo, that's like family related. But then I have like a cut like a triptych that I took in Phoenix once randomly I've never posted them but that I really liked of like this like art thing on top of a parking garage. That I went up to the park Like I just saw it and I was like what is that up there? And I went up there and I took these like photos that I really like. But yeah, something like either those.

Jules: 28:37

Those are like the two things do you have your work printed up around your house? No, you live with it around you at all. No, no I mean it's a tough.

NorCal Guy: 28:49

Thing soon I could, because I got you finally have some screens and I got to put the mounts in my house, so yeah, Hell yeah.

Jules: 28:57

What else can I ask you, norco? I should have been more prepared. Whatever you want, man, I had time to. That's good. I like that you opened it up. I also don't want to ask things that might have already been asked, but like, who, what is your?

NorCal Guy: 29:15

I know that you guys, as as click create, have a very bullish ethos on additions, but, like as a collector, what is the different approach you take to additions, and one of ones, uh, so I guess you can look at it through a couple different lenses, um, I mean, the one of one is like the ultimate, like grail type thing, but as an artist or as a space progresses, they become increasingly out of reach for majority of people. So, beyond that, it's additions, and additions are like the best way to get a community around you, um, especially if you're interactive with them. And like I don't and that's the one thing I don't think and maybe jack I I don't follow jack butcher stuff because I like got lost, I like didn't even pay attention and lost, and so I don't know exactly what he's doing. So I don't know what he's doing with his, his whole community, with the additions and whatnot.

NorCal Guy: 30:25

But I feel like it hasn't been discovered the best way to get this like group of people around you supporting you, um, like a, an artist, with their supporters, you know their solid 100 or solid 1000 followers that you know are willing to pick up every edition or willing to do this like just the dieh hard, and I don't feel like there's a good way that's been discovered to either communicate with those 100 to a thousand people you know, to update them, because, I mean, everyone thought it was discord for a little bit. Everyone thought it was twitter, dms and those all suck. So I don't know if it's an email thing you like, where you just email your fans.

Jules: 31:22

I don't know, maybe it's just simple you know there's nothing wrong with web2 tools. You know, right, right, there's like this whole like anti, like oh, let's stay away. But you know, there's like all these artists, subscription services. I think when you have these true supporters that work really well, like you know, you subscribe and you get, you know, a thing a month, right, um, or whatever. That's your shit, that's your thing, yeah, I mean so both?

NorCal Guy: 31:47

yeah, I think, like just reuben woo, recently he did an edition type thing. It was a print. It was a print and he only sent it through an email and I and I saw well, I just didn't open the email in time, it sold out, um, and he posted about it online and I was like, oh, I think I saw that email come in, I just never got to it yet it's also like the drainer, like that's where you're, that's where your wallet hacks.

Jules: 32:19

It's always through the email, right? It's a little scary to be connecting a wallet through that's right oh yeah shit.

Jules: 32:27

I got more questions, but I don't have them at the at the top. I feel like it's a missed opportunity to not to not ask you. Well, I will ask you a personal question. Yeah, you're familiar with some of my work, right? Yeah, some of it. I'll ask you a personal question. Yeah, you're familiar with some of my work, right? Yeah, some of it. I'll ask you a personal question. What's your favorite piece that you've seen in life? Oh, my goodness.

NorCal Guy: 32:43

Okay, so I don't like. It seems like you don't have that many like, do you only have? It's like you have 40 or fewer flowers.

Jules: 32:54

There's 50 flowers. Yeah, there's only 50.

NorCal Guy: 32:56

Right, and there's 50 flowers? Yeah, there's only 50. There's only 50. Right? Do you continually slowly? Not continually, but I guess slowly continually add to that number?

Jules: 33:08

or is it 50 and that's it? No, that's it. Okay, that was it. That was launched long before the Manifold. Tie-in that's just the contract. It's closed. There's the 50 tokens, okay, all right. Tie-in. So that's just the contract. It's closed. There's the 50. 50 tokens, uh, okay, yeah, all right, it's a bummer, because I couldn't even give those things away, like when I first minted them, I sold some for 100 bucks and then I couldn't eat, like I was. Like I gave them away and you know now that they've found great collectors at, you know, a really incredible, uh, price point. But it's all secondary stuff. You know, it's like I wish I had a, I wish I had a bouquet in my back pocket, but I don't. It's funny.

NorCal Guy: 33:45

It's funny that that was your side hustle, and then that's also what you're getting known for now well, I say flowers, but I was in northern california selling flowers, so take that I see, I see okay they're different flowers I see the high school kids. Okay, okay, all right, awesome well yeah, I'll have to.

Jules: 34:13

I'll have to get. I have to ask you some more questions. I have to to do a round two. I should have been more prepared.

NorCal Guy: 34:19

I know I have a couple of your additions, but I'm blanking on them right now.

Jules: 34:26

You supported some additions. I appreciate that it's awesome. You like the flowers? Do you think the flowers are a?

NorCal Guy: 34:33

photography project no. No, maybe start it off as a photography thing. Yeah, I so I think like, so, like ruben woo, he considers himself just an artist. He doesn't want to be like put into that photography box. And I feel like and this is, I think this is a funny thing, I think when cameras came out and film and all that photography like became its own thing in the art, the whole like art thing, and it's never left that like you have painters but they consider themselves artists, you have carvers or anyone that's.

Jules: 35:25

Yeah, somebody that does claymation, or sculptors and artists. Sculptors, yeah.

NorCal Guy: 35:29

But photographers always say I'm a photographer, they never go with I'm an artist, which I think is interesting. They're no, they never go with I'm an artist, which I think is interesting, and I don't. And maybe that's been to the detriment of them being classified in photography as an artist, or I mean they are an artist, but like, I don't know, I think it's kind of funny. Um, but I guess when you say photography, it has that definite feel to it, to me, like it it should be still, like still image of some sort. Yeah, um, and you can play with that however you want, but it definitely feels like it should be a still image. Um, then, like, when you get into changing the colors and animating it and whatnot, then you're like going to artist territory.

Jules: 36:18

Well, sure, we're all in artist territory. I hear you, I know, I know, I know.

NorCal Guy: 36:22

But it's just because I mean, I think, because I feel like photographers, you know, have always been like kind of like a black sheep-ish in the art community In crypto. In the art community in the bar community yeah, and then you got videographers and people don't even care about them. So the video artist like so video art, I think, is lost like never had respect and uh, but slowly I think it's coming around for video artists and then photographers as well.

Jules: 37:01

Yes, it's, uh, it's coming, I think, to all, all arts for sure, but it's like you know, again we just have the ways to consume it now. But interesting, yeah Well, what else you got, what you got some some quick. Am I going to get into a hot seat?

NorCal Guy: 37:15

here and give you my opinions on stuff no we already did that we're going into. What projects are you working on and what, what, uh, what things do you have in the works?

Jules: 37:27

about you. Oh, there's no like opinion opinion, hot, take opinion stuff. Uh, I'm um, I'm working on. This is the show section. Huh, uh, I'm working on. This is the shill section I'm working on. I'm working on a new body of work. It is the holding title right now. Is everything all together? Now? Eton? It is. It's been. I mean, I started this November and I've been kind of wrestling with it ever since and really just recently have found what feels like a really clear direction. So I'm working on that and I'll keep tinkering until I feel really good about it. And outside of that, you know I have notebooks of storyboards and ideas that I'd like to execute and it's really just about being able to find the time, and you know, potentially, the little bit of capital that it takes to make them happen. So always creating largely focused on this next body of work, which will be a small collection of one-on-ones with some interesting dynamics involved. Nice, I'm happy to show you at some point we get screen share and I can show you sweet.

NorCal Guy: 38:45

Well, jules, um thank you so much for your time today and um it was really nice to chat with you and get to know you a little better, and um appreciate it.

Jules: 38:59

thank you for coming on the pod thank you, I want to run it back. I it flew by, it was a quick, it was a quick podcast it was, it was no but no.

Jules: 39:10

Thank you again, like seriously. It's such an opportunity to to be able to talk about anything and to have a spotlight from NorCal guys here, so I do appreciate it. Thank you, guy, norco, guy, norco, guy, norco and chill podcast. So it's chill time, norco and chill podcast. What the sh what the sh Norco and chill podcast. So it's chill time, norco and chill podcast. What the sh what the sh-.