Beauty and Punk - Collector

Can NFTs and crypto art democratize access to the art world? Join us as Beauty and Punk (Bea) takes us on an enlightening journey through her experiences in the NFT and digital art landscape. Bea shares her insights on building supportive and inclusive communities, valuing art for its intrinsic worth, and recognizing talent beyond traditional boundaries. This episode will inspire you to explore the multifaceted world of digital art and understand how edition artworks can foster meaningful connections between artists and collectors.

Discover the delicate balance between art as an investment and the pure passion of collecting. Bea offers a refreshing perspective on the evolving value of cryptocurrencies, the importance of supporting small artists, and the significance of an artist's body of work. We delve into the benefits of producing edition artworks versus one-of-one pieces, understanding how editions can democratize access to art and maintain a deeper bond between creators and their audience.

Experience the vibrant life in Portugal through Bea's eyes, from the joys of its culture to the excitement of her upcoming projects. Learn about Nebula, a non-profit tech training organization, and House of Koa, a Web3 fashion brand revolutionizing the market with artistic and interactive clothing. Bea shares her enthusiasm for practical yet stylish fashion pieces, like the reversible bomber jackets with generative art patches. As we wrap up, look forward to future collaborations and the September release of an exclusive new jacket. This episode promises a blend of art, fashion, and personal reflections that are sure to inspire and entertain.

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Transcript

NorCal Guy: 0:00

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Beauty and Punk: 0:06

Who is this guy? Norcal guy.

NorCal Guy: 0:09

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NorCal Guy: 0:37

Today we have Beauty and Punk, otherwise known as Bee. In this conversation, bee discusses her early experiences with NFTs and crypto art, her journey as an artist and collector and her thoughts on the future of the space. She emphasizes the importance of building a supportive and inclusive community, recognizing artists outside of certain bubbles and valuing art for its own sake. She also discusses the significance of additions and democratizing access to art and the need for artists to explore different angles and perspectives. Finally, she shares her mantra of always saying no to someone and the importance of considering who that no is directed towards. In this conversation, bea discusses the importance of setting boundaries in relationships and prioritizing personal needs. She also shares her love for living in Portugal and the freedom it provides. Bea talks about the best and silliest things she has spent money on. She also discusses her upcoming projects, including Nebula, a non-profit organization that provides tech training, and House of Koa, a Web3 fashion brand. Everybody, please, welcome Beauty and Punk. Hey Bea, welcome to the podcast. How are you doing today?

Beauty and Punk: 2:07

Hi, thank you for having me. I am tired and happy. How about you?

NorCal Guy: 2:14

I'm happy. I mean I feel you on the tired just because you know kids, we both have kids. It's a thing with parenthood. You just you know, tired sometimes or a lot of times most of the time, luckily, we do what we love right?

Beauty and Punk: 2:32

otherwise it'd be difficult to keep going. But here I am nine o'clock in the evening having a nice time, so that's lucky, right I mean, as long as you're enjoying life, that's what matters.

NorCal Guy: 2:48

Yeah, so you've been around a little bit and you heard about things earlier than most.

Beauty and Punk: 3:02

What were your first thoughts when you heard about NFTs or crypto art? Well, we didn't have really a name for any of it right, Because I'm so old and I'm part of the furniture.

Beauty and Punk: 3:09

That's the thing we have a saying where I come from. It's like when I arrived, it was all forest and then it started getting developed. That's kind of the thing that happened. I'm a nerd, I've always been a nerd and a geek, and I got into crypto in 2016. And I always a nerd I've always been a nerd and a geek, and I got into crypto in 2016. And I always liked learning and I was, you know, trying to learn more about it and see what people were talking about it. And then, through Reddit because it was through Reddit, it was before the Mashable article came out I found out about CryptoPunks. And how cool was that? Well, actually, because not only am I a nerd, but I've always liked art. I was the kind of person that would go to a museum before having any money. I would buy postcards and I would glue all the postcards all over my you know, all my, all my walls.

NorCal Guy: 3:56

Right.

Beauty and Punk: 3:56

So it didn't matter that I didn't have money. I always liked art, right, right. And then when I saw two things that I really liked, which was the technology so blockchain technology being used for something that I really loved for you know a really long time, which is art like, well, this is really cool. There's something here, and I really thought there was something to it, because I, of all the crypto punks, that I claimed four apes and actually, two days after claiming, I put one ape for sale for 37 ETH.

Beauty and Punk: 4:27

Oh yeah, okay, hindsight, okay, we didn't pay anything for it. It was like a free claim, so we just paid gas. So 37 was a lot of money for something that costs nothing. So two days after claim I thought, actually I'm going to, I actually think this will sell for this amount of money one day. Yeah, and yeah, I put my not my money where my mouth was, but like I put the bet there that it took three years and it sold oh yeah, two years later it sold yeah that's awesome, so read it.

NorCal Guy: 5:01

I mean okay. So did you jump into anything else after? Like the punks, did you do like?

Beauty and Punk: 5:09

Yeah, I still had my civilian like account. So Beauty and the Punk was born in 2019 after the sale of the ape and I was completely anonymous back then, anyway, of the ape and I was completely anonymous back then, anyway, um. But so I had, I had my civilian account and I was interacting with people, but I was not claiming my wallet, like. I was just a person in this right right, interested in what was happening, so it was just like a random person, um, but it was fun, uh and like there was some other stuff. You know, there were the crypto kitties and the moon cats and you know like, and the hash masks. So there was a lot of stuff happening in those few years until everything really happened, like in 2019, 2019, 2020, 2021.

Beauty and Punk: 5:59

But I was yeah, I was first as a civilian Because, yeah, I was first as a civilian before my World 3 person came to be yeah, and then I was completely anonymous, as most people were back then, and then, slowly, I decided that it was important to share who I was, because I saw that there were no people like me around me. Oh yeah, you know, I'm still the only woman, as far as we know, with a crypto pancake, so maybe it's cool for other people to know that there are women around that have been around for as long as this exists. So it's been and, to be fair, I've been met with nothing but kindness by all the claimers, by people in the community. I've been very fortunate. I haven't had bad experiences, really, so it's been a nice journey. Also, the sharing, the sharing about being a mom.

Beauty and Punk: 6:56

In the beginning I didn't want to tell anyone and you know, sometimes you, for example, right now, my kids are asleep. Maybe someone will just storm through that door and say mama, mama, because papa didn't get to them all the time. But I was afraid of those things, so I would um, I would refrain from taking part in spaces, podcasts, because I was afraid of you know, the messiness of life, but it's part of what makes me me and what makes life fun and what drives me to do all the things that I do is being a mom too. So I remember still the first time that I had a space and I had my, my boy, my baby boy, with me and he was like cooing and like making sounds and and it was messy, it was fun, yeah, uh. And then all the moms came to me like oh, thank you, because I do that too, like sometimes I don't want to take part because it's not going to be perfect right right right.

Beauty and Punk: 7:50

What's the point of trying to do everything perfect and not do things? So yeah, it was. It was a nice journey. The the the dog sings yeah, yeah, I like that.

NorCal Guy: 8:03

It's true, though it's true it can be a little messy with kids.

Beauty and Punk: 8:08

Yeah, it can, but it's fun and a lot of the things that we do, we do because we want to build the space that will be theirs when they write so what are we building, how are we building it and what is our vision for it? It's, it's a big part of the values that we would put in building the space that we are building the parents that we impart on them, too. So beautiful things that we can bring up together. You know Right right. Very philosophical, very quickly.

NorCal Guy: 8:39

So you mentioned earlier, you were collecting postcards. Did you collect any other art or anything else?

Beauty and Punk: 8:53

I did so. Um, when I started like having a job job like after studying and I started having some adult money, I started collecting local artists so I, either where I was living or when I would travel, I would buy. You know, I remember buying in the US. I bought a photographer photography from the photographer that was selling his stuff out on the street. So it wasn't, it wasn't expensive stuff, but it was stuff that I finally could afford and support the artists that I would meet along the way. So those things still are very close to my heart because it was the first time that I could actually support an artist, a living artist like that. So I would try to buy things from people that I would meet. And yeah, it was that I started collecting over 20 years ago and there's a range of pieces that are in the collection, from pieces that cost me 20 quid to a proof of work Right that cost me nothing.

NorCal Guy: 9:49

Right, right, right, right, right. So what are the best things about Web3 today?

Beauty and Punk: 10:01

I think it is this serendipitous encounter between people that share either the same values of experiences or they're looking forward to the same things, and it is very difficult to do out in the world. So we are able to connect with people that we might not meet otherwise, with people that we might not meet otherwise. We have this little pot of people that people introduce us to or tell us we should meet, the connection with artists. That was incredibly difficult to do due to geographical time zones, middleman constraints there's so many constraints and the ability to connect with an artist and not only see the beauty that the art gives you, so all the things that you see, all your experiences, that you read into that piece of art, but then learning what the artist actually wanted to say or how the artist was feeling, and that's just as layers of beauty.

Beauty and Punk: 11:08

And the image doesn't have to be beautiful yeah, you know, it doesn't have to be pretty art but the beauty of the exploration of feelings, of emotions, of narratives of history, you know, because we, you know there are political contexts or whatever it is. So there's beauty in those explorations too. So I think this is something that I really like about Web3, that we are building things and making mistakes, but we are trying to build well and, yeah, and we're open to, you know, to to suggestions, and we make friends to help us. Even that, I think it's, it's quite genuine. Still, you know it's yes nice.

Beauty and Punk: 11:54

It's a nice moment to be in yeah, yeah it is.

NorCal Guy: 11:59

Yeah, I feel like I mean I didn't come in until 21 into the NFT space and I was just kind of a non before that and yeah, it's a great space, like everyone's really nice, genuine, like they want to help and they want to make this space something special and unique, and I definitely feel like that's separate than like crypto Twitter, where they're their own thing in a way, people will always like to gamble.

Beauty and Punk: 12:37

They're always different interests and I think those things do not have to exist separately, but that they don't have to be dependent on each other. So those two things are different, like the codependency is one thing, but it doesn't mean that we don't interact or don't move between spheres. It's understandable that people have different interests and I understand that sometimes the degening can have a downside because there are more rug pulls, because people take advantage of people more in that space than in other, but it doesn't mean that it also doesn't happen in the art space. If I don't know if you ever watched the tv show, the crowd, and there's one line that one, one of the characters used to say like people, what a bunch of bastards.

Beauty and Punk: 13:27

And it is kind of that you know like who can be bastards, but in any sphere you just have to to really align with the ones that align with you and try to right surround yourself with those people, I guess yeah, yeah, I see that, I see that, I see that.

Beauty and Punk: 13:51

So where do you see digital art and NFTs in five years? I see them separately because I really hope that we get to use NFT for tokens plural, that we actually in five years, that we have a lot more uses for non-fungible tokens than tokenized art.

NorCal Guy: 14:08

Right.

Beauty and Punk: 14:08

And that we stop talking about art as NFTs because it takes I think it takes away some. You know something from art. You know it's an NFT? Oh no, it's a piece of art that has been tokenized. Yeah, yeah, you know it is art. It should be referred to as art.

Beauty and Punk: 14:28

So I do hope that those two things move in parallel but that we do see a lot more users for tokens, because I think that will drive adoption as well. When people see what can be done with smart contracts in daily life will see a lot more adoption. If it's just a couple of use cases, there's not much drive there. You know the ramp to to understand how to use it to be safe in this ecosystem. It is still a little behind and there are many things we can do to change that. But once you see the purpose there has to yeah, and just by art doesn't fit in the majority of lives really as a purpose. So I hope that we start seeing art as art tokenized, photographed, physical, digital, without organization, so that we move away from the you know the synonym of NFT and art a bit In five years I really hope we're there.

Beauty and Punk: 15:29

Yeah, art is art and NFTs are something that have. When I say utility, please do not whoever is listening please do not confuse this with the utility that we talk about in projects. But it has purpose, I guess. Right, right, it's an easier way to say it.

NorCal Guy: 15:47

Yeah, we'll move towards NFTs as used in conjunction with smart contracts for property type stuff.

Beauty and Punk: 15:56

For purpose. Yes, yeah.

NorCal Guy: 15:59

Yeah, for sure. Do you have any concerns as the space expands in the next five years?

Beauty and Punk: 16:05

Oh yeah, definitely. I am afraid that more bad actors will come in place and we have a very short memory. I don't understand why we have a very short memory in this space. Seriously, like people come and they take money and they do bad things and then they take a holiday with their money and they come back and everything's fine, like what, seriously, can we do it? Like no, are we sure we want to give these people money again? I don't think that. You know, people are not. I believe in second chances, but for that you kind of have to understand what you did wrong with the first one. So second chances are great, but if the person understands that the first account was a mistake and you did harm to someone and you did steal money from people, you did a scam or you mismanaged funds, which can be a mistake and it can be, it can be mismanagement, but it just. I really hope that we hold people accountable and that we give chances to people that deserve them. I guess I'm saying guess a lot, I'm guessing a lot today.

NorCal Guy: 17:25

That was an interesting one. You know people say, like you know you, only it's easy to. It takes a while to build up the reputation and you can destroy it. You know in a second or whatever. But you're like, why the frick are you guys following these people again, like what is happening?

Beauty and Punk: 17:49

Reputation is the one thing we have. There are very few people that have damaged their reputation for good. Yeah, very few. Most of them that damaged their reputation and kind of like shook it off.

NorCal Guy: 18:00

Yeah, yeah I mean yeah, I don't. I don't need it need. The only one that really stands out to me would be beanie like deep breath incoming, yeah um that's more, that's more.

NorCal Guy: 18:16

We can do a whole right, but I mean, that's the key one that stands out as like. Stands out as like really messed up, or whatever you want to say, and then was gone for a little while and now he's back and people like his takes yeah people like his takes. He's controversial always, but you know he's kind of welcomed back into the space a little bit, which is interesting.

Beauty and Punk: 18:45

So it happens a lot. I just, I hope we're a bit more. I don't I don't want to say selective, that's not the word, and I'm and again, I am a big, big believer in second chances. But we just, if we want to build it right, we have to have values and we have to trust people that share those values and that live by those values. Yeah, do we want noise? Really, is this how we want to build on noise? Is that sustainable? Is that going to build something that will last? Yeah, that will outlast us, because that's the point of what we're building, right, that's something that will outlast us. Us, because that's the point of what we're building, right, that's something that will outlast us. Right. How do we want?

NorCal Guy: 19:30

to be remembered.

Beauty and Punk: 19:31

What are people going to build after our wave of building? What are they going to have to build on?

NorCal Guy: 19:42

So what would you like to see more of in this crypto art space?

Beauty and Punk: 19:48

Well, in the crypto art space it's difficult. Because I quite like the crypto art space. I would like to see probably a bit more recognition to artists that are not in certain bubbles, For sure, for sure.

Beauty and Punk: 20:09

Because there are. You know like, oh, this person is connect. You know there are certain collectors that kind of. They make the market for good or bad. It's good to have that, but, at the same time, just because you are collected by this person doesn't mean that you better than someone else. Right, and this is what other collectors should have in mind, like you know, because I'm not going to collect something that you collected just because I think my bags will pump. And are we? But that's it right? Yeah, are we? That's something from the traditional art market that we always, you know, we say many something from the traditional art market that we always.

Beauty and Punk: 20:45

You know, we say many things about the traditional art market and it is about pumping back that too. You know there is. How much did it sell in the last auction? What museums hold it?

Beauty and Punk: 20:59

I understand that there is a financial incentive to have, you know, to have your pieces, the work that you collect, increasing value. However, you also should love art. For the sake of loving art, it shouldn't just be a financial investment that you do in art. Right, there should be at least a healthy mix of it. How much do you support small artists Because you see the art that they make and that speaks to whatever part of you is in there, because we're all made of multitudes.

Beauty and Punk: 21:38

You know I am a woman, I am a mother, I am a scientist, like I am several things I am. You know I am a lover of art, and what does that piece say to me? So be open to exploring those different things and getting out a little bit of your comfort zone to look for those pieces too. So I think I just would probably like to see a little bit more of that. Otherwise, I do like how artists are supportive of other artists. I think we have a fairly good amount of space for criticism, for constructive, hopefully criticism in the space. So, all in all, I think we're doing a pretty good job, but those are a couple of things that I think could be improved does 1E equal 1E depends on what side of the E you're on when you got into ETH.

NorCal Guy: 22:45

Okay, fair, I mean, that's a reasonable answer, because it's usually the people that got in early that say one ETH equals one ETH.

Beauty and Punk: 22:58

Yeah, because you're not losing right. Yep, yep.

Beauty and Punk: 23:00

So that's the thing, when you get in early, you're always in the up, so it will always be one eat because you know pebbles will be pebbles, yeah, but if you got in high and you have a family to feed and you have so many other real concerns, you know not necessarily one. If will be when E, right, right, it really depends on how much of a question you have or how much liquidity you have. It's very simplistic to say that, yes, when E will be when E if you actually have bills to pay and no fiat.

NorCal Guy: 23:43

Right right.

Beauty and Punk: 23:45

So it really depends on what side of the issue you're at.

NorCal Guy: 23:50

That's a great answer. That's a great answer to that question Does an artist's supply matter?

Beauty and Punk: 24:03

Like I want to say no, no, but that's a lie, that is like wishful thinking and that is a little bit um it does matter.

Beauty and Punk: 24:13

I actually think if it does, too little of it, that can be, you know, prejudicial. Um I I do think you need a certain amount of of art, both to see the development of the artist, to see what artists, where you know where this person started, how they developed both their techniques and concepts and views of the world and of themselves, and see how that develops into, like the more polished and final works where they see how they want to transmit the message that they have. So I do think that you do need a variety of works, good or bad, and also define good or bad as you want artists because it's your work, but you need both a sequence and also a plethora of ways that this person is exploring a subject.

Beauty and Punk: 25:14

A lot of people say, oh, this person has done this to the limit. I really like that. Actually, it shows me that you want to tell me this from many angles and that you don't think we have talked enough about this and why I should look at it from this angle. So I do like the repetition of a certain kind of work because it shows me that you are deeply involved by it, not necessarily concerned. It depends what it is, what the subject is. So I do think that more work is better than less work I'm not very concerned about oh, there's too much supply and the prices are going to decrease. I think it adds to the body of work of an artist, of the development of the concept, of all of it. I really think it adds to the catalogue of work.

NorCal Guy: 26:16

So how, in your opinion, how, would you recommend an artist to do editions versus one-of-ones Like? How should they work together?

Beauty and Punk: 26:29

I will forever say this if editions worked for hokusai, they work for me. You know the great wave uh, what can I go on? So if, if you worked for like, the great wave is one of the most known works of art yeah, it's everywhere, and, and there were thousands, I don't know like 8,000 of them when they were produced and through the years. You can also see the different blocks that were used and how they use all the blocks and how they're a little bit different. For me they were the first generative art project because they were all a little bit different because of the ink of the block, if the block was owned or not. You can see the sequence of artworks there.

Beauty and Punk: 27:11

So if, if it's good for that, it's good for me, I I am a big fan. I think it democratizes the access to art. You enable people to make a connection to the artist, albeit a more distant one, right? So it doesn't have that personal connection that you can have with a one-on-one. Then again, I do think that Web3 enables you if that piece was somehow very special to you, you can try to connect to the artist and even if you have one of a thousand, you can still have that very special connection to the artist.

NorCal Guy: 27:52

Nonetheless, Right right.

Beauty and Punk: 27:54

And that is incredibly special that our space offers both to the artist and the collector. So the one of ones they probably will be, something that you know took more Actually, no, if you took more time and effort, you actually might want to make, you know, an addition and have more collectors, because you kind of spread the costs of the instead of having one very expensive artwork. I don't, I don't if I would. If I would produce an artwork right now, I don't if I would. If I would produce an artwork right now, I don't know what I would choose.

Beauty and Punk: 28:31

Maybe you can choose your collection in a one of one and you can choose that collection, but most people don't. So we don't even have that special connection with your collection a lot of the time, right, because maybe someone's anonymous someone even have that special connection with your collector a lot of the time, right, because maybe someone's anonymous, someone that doesn't want to connect with the artist, right. So it can be, but it doesn't mean that will be just because it's a one-of-one for sure. So I, I am very happy with both types of art that I collect, both one of ones and and with editions, and I don't feel like it diminishes my collection. You know, like I, I'm not less proud to show something that I have because it's an edition right.

Beauty and Punk: 29:19

You're like oh, look at this that I have. It's not special because it's just mine, but it's special because I believe it is special.

NorCal Guy: 29:26

Yes.

Beauty and Punk: 29:27

You know, that's the intrinsic value that I give the artwork, but not necessarily because of rarity.

NorCal Guy: 29:34

Right, right, right, and I like that. I like that a lot and I'm on your side for that. I like yo get those additions out why?

Beauty and Punk: 29:48

I think it's great. Yeah, I think it's.

NorCal Guy: 29:49

yeah, I'm big believer in the issues you know what is a piece of advice that you have been given, or do you have like a mantra that you kind of have in your head, that you kind of live by?

Beauty and Punk: 30:03

yeah for a few. Well, well over a decade now I started, I realized that you're always saying no to someone. Most of the time you say no to yourself or to your loved ones because those are the people that will understand and accept, you know, without complaining right they will love you through your nose.

Beauty and Punk: 30:27

So you always say no to someone. It's you know, ah, let's, um, let's do something for someone else. Let you always you. Then you say no to yourself because you wanted to do something at that time. If I, I wanted to. You know, there's always a no. You just have to see who the no is going to. If it's to yourself because you want to do something else, if it's to your loved one because you're staying longer at work, what is the no in that equation? There's always a no. It's just we don't realize, because it's to the people that will not look at us and say why, why are you doing this to me? They're gonna go. Oh, okay, I understand. Yeah, you have to do this. Well, do you though?

Beauty and Punk: 31:14

yeah and I remember I was, I was somewhere with my husband, like I we were like not even married at the time and some people were asking him to stay longer and they're like this kind of a work, kind of not work thing. And then I looked at one point. I looked at him like if you keep saying yes to them, you're saying no to me. I'm really tired, I need to go, but I can go separately, yeah, or you can stay like it doesn't mean that you have to come with me. But if you keep saying yes to them for like extra 15 minutes every time, just one more beer, just one more beer but you say no to me and and this is this was really good for our relationship because it clicked for him too, and he tells me that too, you know like okay, but then you say no to me right and yeah, and then we've been married for over eight years now, happily, thankfully, because we are quite aware of the no's that we say for sure.

NorCal Guy: 32:16

Wow, I like that one a lot. That one's really good thank you Thank you, if you could live or move anywhere, where would you live and why?

Beauty and Punk: 32:28

Oh, I'm lucky, I live exactly where I'd like to live.

NorCal Guy: 32:32

Oh, perfect yeah.

Beauty and Punk: 32:34

Yeah, it is so. I'm in Europe, I'm in Portugal and we are. I think we have kind of the best of all worlds.

Beauty and Punk: 32:45

We can fly anywhere within Europe. We are, you know, a few hours away. Even if we want to go to the US, we're actually not that far away. So it's like a six hour flight to New York. Um, we have wonderful weather and food and we can go to the beach. We can pick up the kids from school and go to the beach after school and then come home like this is perfect, like, yes, there are problems. Every, every life has problems. Um, but of the things that I wish I had, I, my heart is content.

NorCal Guy: 33:21

That's awesome. Well, that's awesome. I'm happy for you. That is so awesome, thank you. So, if you were an animal, what would you be and why?

Beauty and Punk: 33:36

I think, the answer that I want to give you, is an animal that I think is beautiful and that I would aspire to.

Beauty and Punk: 33:47

That does not mean that that's actually what would happen if I would be an animal, like a horse. Okay, I find horses beautiful. They are strong, they are majestic, you know like. They have this Even in captivity. They give you this freedom because of their speed. Like they they are. They move like the wind. You know like it is. It is mystical in reality, though, if I could choose, I think I would love to be like I think. What a majestic experience in life. I think I would love to be like I think. What a majestic experience in life. Do not point to any of the negatives of being a horse, please, I beg of you, but I can very much see myself being a cat. You know, I could very much see myself being a cat, and, you know, taking naps and being caressed and, yeah, and powering around, yes, and yeah, and powering around, yes, okay, realistically speaking, yeah, that's more likely. What would happen?

NorCal Guy: 34:56

but in my heart of hearts I'd go for horse. All right, all right, it's fair, that's fair. Do you have a favorite movie quote or song lyric?

Beauty and Punk: 35:06

I do actually. It's from Into the Wild. Happiness is only real when it's shared.

NorCal Guy: 35:12

Oh, that was good, that was good.

Beauty and Punk: 35:15

It's yeah well, from the book. And then the film, which really, you know, stuck with me. You know, stuck with me, and beautiful soundtrack, um, and as well, also lead singer from pro jam, eddie vedder. So the soundtrack is just his. It's absolutely beautiful film and that will forever remain true in my heart. I remember also traveling alone. I love traveling luckily, my family does too, but when I started traveling, I would travel alone and I loved traveling alone.

Beauty and Punk: 35:48

I had no problem with it. But there were a couple of moments that I would sit somewhere and I would cry because I wish I had someone to share that with. And there were times that I would travel and my husband would be with me and I would cry because he would be by my side and it would all make sense, right? Yes, this is the person that I want to share this with. This is my happiness. This is what was missing. So happiness is only real when it's shared.

NorCal Guy: 36:23

I love that one. Yeah, so changing it a little bit, what is the best? Thing, and the silliest thing you've spent money on.

Beauty and Punk: 36:37

They're the same thing. It's one thing. Okay, that is this. It is. I don't think it's silly, because I don't want to think that it's silly, but it's a massage gun.

NorCal Guy: 36:52

Oh, those things are great.

Beauty and Punk: 36:54

I those, those things are amazing, those things that we've had for years now. I cannot, we like we don't use it on a daily or even weekly basis, but sometimes when we do is like every night, like yeah all right right and we call yeah, a bomb machine, like, it's just like. Oh my god, that thing has paid itself a million times over. Yeah, yeah, I, yes. If you don't have a massage gun, get one. It's brilliant, everyone should have it. It's just yeah.

Beauty and Punk: 37:27

And that and the you know the spidey thing for the head, oh, that is probably the silly thing Everyone, before going to a meeting should just everyone should do that before going to a meeting because, like, everyone goes with stress levels down, yeah, and the risk of confrontation will be reduced logarithmically. So like that, that is that's how we solve world issues. I guess that's it. Your, your interview has solved world issues that's the spidey thing for the head. That is it. That was the serious spy and go to massage things.

NorCal Guy: 38:05

See, I'm yeah it's a good that is it I. If I could get massages every day, believe me I would yeah, I mean yeah, we even have like something that you can put on like a doorpost, so you can like just put it there and then rub your back on it. Oh, you can use it by yourself.

Beauty and Punk: 38:26

No, yeah it's a little bit sad though. It is a little bit sad but super helpful.

NorCal Guy: 38:36

You know they do that to cows, you know they do stuff to cows to kind of massage themselves.

Beauty and Punk: 38:43

I would feel very sad and happy at the same time. It would be incredible. Now I have to buy one just just for you know, being a scientist, I have to experiment. That is it.

NorCal Guy: 38:57

I'll be buying that thing, yeah, because I mean sometimes you're just like you know, if your wife's not home or your husband in your case you're like hey, ah man, I really wish I could like. There's this one spot, I just can't reach it, yeah you're like just put it in that device and you're like ready to go yeah, two years of yoga like that so this next one's a little hard. If you could commission a piece and have two artists collaborate on it, which two artists would it be?

Beauty and Punk: 39:35

I'm going to give a difficult answer, Dan.

NorCal Guy: 39:37

Oh no.

Beauty and Punk: 39:38

The two people that I, that I, I okay Two people that the art looks nothing alike, nothing alike. Inez Richelik. So she's a photographer, she has a skin condition and then she imprints marks on her skin.

NorCal Guy: 39:56

Oh, yeah, yeah, Her skin is incredibly reactive.

Beauty and Punk: 39:58

Yeah, and she has very charged photography. So the subjects are quite, you know, they are dense, heavy subjects a lot of the time, dense, heavy subject a lot of the time. And then someone else that does a lot of commentary, like cultural and political commentary, on his art as well, and it is quite visually also very impactful, is Xcopy. So you know that imprint, glitch photography, art that I have no idea what it would look like and that's the kind of thing if I could just put two random people together, I think those are the two people I would put together Because you know, if my genie would make that happen, how cool would that be? Like this is something that is a collab that no one would really know what's coming Because there's a lot of people who are like oh yeah, I could see that happening.

Beauty and Punk: 40:59

Okay, yeah, yeah, that could work. But this would be an experiment in itself, like just a photographer and a glitch artist, both with heavy subjects a lot of the time. It'd be interesting to see what they would talk about, what would be the subject they would discuss and how to represent it. I have no idea.

NorCal Guy: 41:25

For sure. So now it's up to them. Yeah, so do you have any questions for me?

Beauty and Punk: 41:37

Yes, I do. So. You started a couple of years ago. What was the first piece of art that you bought that kept you going back? Because it moved something in you that you didn't realize it would.

NorCal Guy: 41:59

Well, I'll say there was this Artblocks piece and I'm blanking on the name of the project. It was uh, basically it was like this, this little world that you could like kind of spin around. It wasn't a world, but it was like this cityscape. It was like kind of had that and it was had like it was all. It was black cityscape, but you could like kind of zoom into it and zoom out and spin it around, and they had like either like orange or purple or pink skies.

Beauty and Punk: 42:43

I think it was the first one that was like immersive and audio visual. It was very immersive. I also have it.

NorCal Guy: 42:50

And I was like, and this is all stored on chain, like, like what is going? This is all just code based and this is that just blew my mind. I like went back to it lots and lots of times and just like that's when generative art, I was just like what the heck this? On another level, this piece right here, and you know, I don't know. I just love that those pieces. I have like three or four of them and uh, they're pretty awesome, but I am blanking that's it.

Beauty and Punk: 43:19

When something clinks, clicks for you, right it, just it moves you something, right that you didn't, you hadn't realized before. Yeah, I like those moments and'm.

NorCal Guy: 43:31

I feel like it's like I hit the artist's like ID something or another.

Beauty and Punk: 43:34

I'm not really blanking on it right now but so this is a promise that we make when we tweet and retweet about this episode. The first thing we're going to do is tag the artist and the and the project.

NorCal Guy: 43:48

Ah, okay, all right, that's fair, that's fair.

Beauty and Punk: 43:51

This is a promise.

NorCal Guy: 43:52

Alright, okay, any other questions?

Beauty and Punk: 44:00

No, that was it for now, alright.

NorCal Guy: 44:03

Do you have a hot take?

Beauty and Punk: 44:08

I don't. I don't because I don't think I'm very controversial. I think my views are all quite based actually based, I'm not. If you disagree with me, then we will have a discussion and I'll probably show you why you should change your mind. But I don't think that's a hot take all right fair no, I'm kidding, it's just.

Beauty and Punk: 44:36

My husband has this habit of saying that I'm, you know, I'm constantly right and I have this bad habit of being right. At the time and I told this to a friend of mine, also from the space, like he was having he, you know, he was starting to work with someone like, oh, just, you know, be careful. It's supposed to be difficult. He was like okay thank you, but like all good, yeah, yeah make up your mind.

Beauty and Punk: 44:59

And then he came back like, oh, you were right. I'm like, oh, I have this bad habit. Uh, you can talk to my husband, he'll let you know like we laughed about it because of course it's not true. I'm a human of I'm not right all the time. Please don't take me serious on this one. Anyone who's listening, please no, but if I cannot make fun of myself, then what's the point?

NorCal Guy: 45:21

I like it. Do you have any projects you are working on or anything you'd like the audience to know about? I do?

Beauty and Punk: 45:29

I have two things actually. One thing that started a year ago almost Nebula, and we have an NPO, so a non-profit that we do onboarding and training for tech in general blockchain, web3, smart contracts, and we also have House of Koa. So Koa is a fashion brand, so it's a web 3 fashion brand, but it's not because web 3 that is cool, it's not because it has an nfc tag that's cool. It's because it has a purpose that is cool. So we're not just going to have drops, we're going to have collections. So we're going to have collections. So we're going to have spring-summer collections. We're going to have autumn-winter collections, because I don't buy my clothes just when you know they offer it to me. I like to buy my clothes when I want to buy my clothes, so I want to offer the same wonderful experience.

Beauty and Punk: 46:22

Any print that you see, any art that you see, is going to be in collaboration with artists. Why am I going to come up with something if I'm surrounded by artists all around? We love art, we buy it all the time and we don't live it enough. We don't have enough screens to put it on. We don't print them because we don't have walls enough. But why wouldn't we wear them?

NorCal Guy: 46:46

Yeah.

Beauty and Punk: 46:48

So why? You know, if I could have something by an artist that I love, why would I not want to have something that I could throw on and not look like I just came back from a conference? It has to be something tasteful. It has to be something that is is a piece of art made for a collection or for, you know, for a piece of clothing that will suit well with the fabric and you know, and the season and the colors and also things that will move between seasons.

Beauty and Punk: 47:18

No one bends their wardrobe from one collection to another. So we actually do want to do the marketing for the next season with items from the previous season. So you know that if you buy something this year, it will fit with your wardrobe. If you buy something next year, so there will be a sense of continuation, especially for men. Like women, we do usually have a bigger wardrobe, but men are more concise, so you do want your things to fit with all the things. So having that in mind too is also more budget conscious, environmentally conscious, time conscious. So it's just there's so many things that I want to have that I want to put into this project. Right, we want to be practical, we want the quality will be amazing. Everything is made in Europe, everything is made in Portugal, actually.

NorCal Guy: 48:15

Oh, okay.

Beauty and Punk: 48:15

So for the first project, we're going to have a bomber jacket. So three times a year we're going to have drops, so something that needs to have a beginning and an end for production. And this is going to be a one-of-one of many. So it's going to be a bomber jacket with a generative art project embroidered on the sleeve. Oh okay, because bomber jackets used to have, like the traditional bomber jackets used to have, the patches. So you're going to mint a generative art patch and that is going to go on your sleeve.

NorCal Guy: 48:50

Oh nice.

Beauty and Punk: 48:50

So you're going to have a jacket. Thank you, I think it's been nice. So you're going to have a jacket that you're going to wear for a decade or more, and it is simple and unique, it is everlasting, it is completely reversible because I love that, you know, if you want to just turn it inside out and you have a completely new jacket. So when you're traveling, it makes a lot of sense to have something like that. The fabric is water repellent because I can I cannot just have something that, will, you know, start having the water stains when there's a little drizzle outside, like all those little things that you want to have. Water stains when there's a little drizzle outside, like all those little things that you want to have, and you want to have a little bit interactive as well.

Beauty and Punk: 49:36

So we're going to have a playlist, so for the first project. So there's going to be a couple of nfc tags on it. One is going to be for providence and for the art, the other one's going to be for playlist. Twice a year, the owners of the jacket will be able to change the playlist is it summer vibes, is it winter vibes? And then you can submit your suggestion and people will vote on? What do they want the next playlist to sound like? Is it something?

NorCal Guy: 50:04

that you produced.

Beauty and Punk: 50:05

Is it something that you really like? Is it really old song? It's something brand new and the playlist is available for everyone, because everyone should be able to even also to see how things changing. How are those people that bought their first jacket? What are they listening to now? So I think it's a fun experiment to do too, because there's a vibe like whenever you're getting ready, you put on music. We live with music, right, why wouldn't a jacket have its own playlist? Yeah, like you get ready and then you can, you know, immediately hear all along the watchtower by Jimi Hendrix.

Beauty and Punk: 50:42

You know, yeah, like that's a vibe. I want to get that. I want to feel like that when I put on some clothes, I will walk out of the house differently, for sure. And this is what we want. You know, this is a product that you will wear forever and it will always give you a good feeling when you have it. Yeah, one more.

NorCal Guy: 51:10

That's awesome. We aim for very little. You can see, I, I can't wait to see that because I mean, I do that. I, I mean, I like bomber jackets. I think that'd be an awesome idea, especially reversible. And, um, I, the generative part, I will be following along for sure, because, uh, I will probably mint one or two or whatever. I hope so, oh also we have.

Beauty and Punk: 51:34

The other thing is I don't like unisex clothing. I don't look good in unisex clothing, like this.

NorCal Guy: 51:39

Leave it too long, because they're men's clothes.

Beauty and Punk: 51:41

They're never unisex like. They're men's clothes that women should be comfortable wearing. So I'm gonna have like because the the cuts are different, so you know the length of the sleeve and the width of the shoulders, waist it is built differently, so we're going to have those two cuts. You want to buy whatever you want to buy, I'm okay with that. Whatever fits you best, whatever doesn't fit you best, as long as you're happy with it. But I also want to be happy with what I'm wearing, so we're going to have those two different cuts. Want to be happy with what I'm wearing? So we're going to have those two different cuts. And that could also be an interesting onboarding mechanism. We do want. The collection is going to be feared and if you don't want to have the NFT for it, it's going to stay with your account. Whenever you see the purpose for having that NFT, then you redeem that. We'll help you through the process and we can onboard people to blockchain and to Web3 through something very tangible. So everyone is obliged by law to wear clothes. So the market is humongous.

Beauty and Punk: 52:45

People like art, people love prints, and then people will learn what they want to learn, not what you force them to learn. So they like the art, they want to know more about the artist. They find another artist that they like. Maybe they look into that project and they start talking to other people. They like the same things and then suddenly it's not scary anymore and you're not alone. And then you onboard people because they want to be onboarded and the NFT will have a purpose for it to exist. It will give you access to something. It will grant you another physical item. It will give you a benefit. Yeah, so there has to be purpose to the things that we build. Everything comes with a purpose, like the NFTs will have a purpose to exist inside the collection and inside the drop. Our art is also punk, actually. So, uh, marco is wonderful. I love the project that he has done and he's an amazing person overall, so we're super happy to be to be working together.

Beauty and Punk: 53:47

And now we're thinking what? What is this patching going to look like? How are punks influencing? And was an homage to punks without having a crypto punk on it, because we don't want to be just swag. That's not the purpose of this. Suppose it's art. The crystal punks are art in their own merit, but if we just do a cheap replication of it, then it loses the purpose, right? So how do we pay homage to the project that changed all of our lives, involved with Crystal Punks and Arch, because it was one of the igniting forces of Web3? How do we pay homage to it as being our Genesis project too? So this, this is going to be what's you know. It's wrapped around.

NorCal Guy: 54:36

David Pérez Amazing. Well, I am looking forward to that. Thank you for sharing that info. And uh, do you have?

Beauty and Punk: 54:47

any dates for that? Yeah, in.

NorCal Guy: 54:47

September. Okay, so September we'll be yeah in September. Okay.

Beauty and Punk: 54:52

So September we'll be coming out with the jacket.

NorCal Guy: 54:54

Awesome.

Beauty and Punk: 54:55

And I'll be. Yeah, I'll be posting about it and I'll probably be talking to you about it again, maybe.

NorCal Guy: 55:01

Yeah, I would love that?

Beauty and Punk: 55:03

Yeah, it would be nice.

NorCal Guy: 55:04

Perfect. Well, Bea, I want to just thank you for taking some time out of your evening and joining me on the show today. I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on everything and hope you have a great evening and we'll talk soon.

Beauty and Punk: 55:20

Thank you so much. Thank you for having me.

NorCal Guy: 55:23

Who is?

Beauty and Punk: 55:24

this. Who is this? Guy who is this guy? Who is this?

NorCal Guy: 55:27

guy. Who is this guy? Who is this guy? Nor Calgar, nor Calgar, nor Calgar. Who is this guy?