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NorCal Guy - Collector - Throwback Episode

August 15, 2024 • NorCal Guy • Season 1 • Episode 150

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Is it possible to transform skepticism into passion? NorCal Guy's journey from doubting early NFT projects like CryptoKitties to becoming an ardent collector of one-of-one digital artworks is nothing short of inspiring. Join us as NorCal recounts his first encounter with NBA Top Shots and the concept of digital rarity, illuminating his transition from quick-flips to appreciating long-term value. Hear how his experiences and engagements with artists reshaped his perspective on the NFT space and solidified his commitment to this revolutionary form of digital ownership.

Navigating the treacherous waters of cryptocurrency trading and the PFP game isn't for the faint of heart. NorCal opens up about the deceptive allure and potential financial pitfalls that lie in wait. We also dive into the future landscape of digital art, exploring how advancements in AI, VR, and AR are poised to revolutionize the art world. Imagine a future where AR-enhanced galleries and AI tools like MidJourney and ChatGPT become integral to both art and professional environments. NorCal emphasizes the importance of adapting to these technological advancements to stay ahead in the game.

Connecting with the NFT community goes beyond just online interactions; it’s about building meaningful relationships. NorCal shares tips on navigating both digital and face-to-face interactions, stressing the importance of consistency, thoughtfulness, and a touch of humor. We also celebrate the first episode of "Norcal and Schill Collector's Vault," reflecting on its success and the intriguing mystery surrounding the identity of Nor Calgar. This episode is packed with insights, strategies, and personal stories that make NorCal Guy's NFT journey a must-listen.

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Mae:

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Guy:

And chill podcast Show. It's chill time. Norcal and chill podcast. It's chill NorCal and chill podcast Show. It's chill time, norcal and Shill Podcast the Shill. Norcal and Shill Podcast. So it's Shill time, norcal and Shill Podcast the Shill. Hey, everyone, welcome to the next episode of NorCal and Shill Collector's Vault. Today's guest is NorCal Guy. Norcal is an experienced collector who is well known for his ability to identify and collect talented artists before they are well known to the masses. Norcal is the host of two dedicated NFT podcasts NorCal and Shill, and NorCal and Clutch. He is a member of Tungsten Dao and the Met Fund and has his own community art project, click Mint Pass, as well as Click Create, a premium curated edition collection with co-founder Clutch. Everyone, please welcome NorCal.

Mae:

Hey guys, Welcome to the podcast. How are you doing?

Guy:

Good, good, I'm good. How are you doing?

Mae:

I'm doing good. It's pretty early, but clear sky looking like a good day.

Guy:

That's nice. It's clear skies here too, and I'm inside Pretty awesome.

Mae:

Is it still super cold there?

Guy:

Not too bad. Like with the sunny today, it's warmed up for sure.

Mae:

But you guys had like a crazy winter compared to usual, right?

Guy:

Yeah, it's been a lot of rain, so yeah, we've been inside, and then the day when it's sunny, I also stuck inside. It's awesome.

Mae:

A lot of inside. Okay, we're just gonna jump right into it. So first question what do you think about NFT?

Guy:

Yeah, this is a good one. I first heard about CryptoKitties and I was like this is so dumb. It's like this stupid game. You're breeding cats. I don't even know the point of this. These ETH people doing some stupid things over there. I'm not even going to explore this at all. I'm not even going to explore this at all. So that was my first intro to it and I just didn't even care. I was like whatever, I'm just going to DCA and keep on trucking and not even pay attention.

Guy:

and I, because I followed crypto twitter guys for a while and started seeing them talk about NBA top shots. And then that's where I was like I don't know, it's still maybe dumb. And then I finally read a couple articles and digital rarity. I believe in Bitcoin and Ethereum, so digital rarity. But finally I was like why can't I believe that digital rarity? But finally I was like why can't I believe that digital rarity is assigned to art in a way? So once that clicked for me, I was like, okay, I guess I better get in on this, make some money. And so that's why I was like finally got Shots. And I was like, sweet, this money is looking good on paper and I never sold.

Mae:

It was pretty awesome, that is the story of my entire trading career. You think things are going really well and you're like oh, should I sell? Is this the point where I'm supposed to take profits? No, just hold on a little bit longer. Oh, it's all gone.

Guy:

Right, right. So then I rolled over into because they like really expanded fast. They had a huge demand, they expanded too fast and they like tanked the market. So I then got into art blocks and started flipping those and I was like this is easy money, like two times or you know. It was like it was a huge, it was huge gains for, like, you were being able to buy them for. I was like this is awesome. But then, as I sat there and was thinking about it, I was just like these are historic and this is pretty dumb that I'm flipping for these quick gains when I should be holding these long-term. So yeah, so I started holding onto those and then I drifted into one of one stuff, and that's when I started talking with the artists.

Guy:

And then that kept me around, kept me here and I stopped flipping stuff for quick money. But yeah, that's how I got started.

Mae:

I feel like it's a good story because you've been in crypto for a long time. You had the faith and the conviction in that side of things, but you still had to get on board with the nft side of things. I think that's the case for probably most people who were like earlier to crypto as a whole yeah, yeah, for sure.

Mae:

It was just like the early application of the non-fungible token was like that is so stupid, that's no but I think at those early days I found myself saying the same things to not early days because I wasn't in nfts early early days, but like when I started looking at it and I was still in that maybe it's gum phase, I found myself saying the same things to myself about it being dumb, as people had been saying to me about crypto for years, and then I was like, oh wait right and the flip side of it is you have games like fortnite, where people it's a free game but people are buying assets for it or even playing minecraft type stuff.

Guy:

these kids are buying these assets to put on their avatars or whatnot and they don't help the gaming experience at all, they just make you look cool.

Mae:

Yeah, I was watching. My partner was scrolling through assets for maybe it was Fortnite or something a couple of days ago because his friend had picked up a loot box that had some really good stuff in it and he was showing me all of the prices for the loot that he'd got in this loot box and I was quite alarmed because I didn't realize that we were like there yet where people were paying like insane amounts for some of this gear. But I think, right like it just lends so well to nfts that example oh for sure, for sure it blows.

Guy:

It was hard for me to. It's hard still for me to comprehend buying digital assets on games. Yeah, where you don't even like technically own it, the company wants to close you down or do whatever they can. Yeah, um, yeah, and for older generations that's completely understandable, that they're all tangible assets for them. Yeah, so it's a whole. Another game nfts is definitely. If you could move anywhere similar setup just outside of california, just because the taxes are so stupid here. Yeah, I like like this kind of climate where it's a little just doesn't really get below freezing in the winter, a little warm in the summer and can potentially have a little homestead type thing, have some animals something. I don't have that right now. I'd like to get that. But yeah, just a outdoor environment so your kids can just go play and you don't have to worry about them yeah, I feel like you've never been to australia.

Guy:

Nope, I feel like you're. Have you ever been to?

Mae:

Australia Nope, I feel like you'd like it here. From a climate perspective except maybe at the peak of summer because we have a big hole in the ozone layer and it's very hot but from like a kids running around perspective, it's very. We got a lot of nothing out here.

Guy:

So there's a lot of room to run.

Mae:

You just have to work, you just have to be mindful of all of the things in the grass that might kill you, all the venomous things that are just waiting for you. Yeah, but nobody tells you?

Guy:

I'm not sure about that.

Mae:

It's like a safe haven for small children. What are? You talking about what's the best advice you have ever received.

Guy:

This is a hard one because there's lots of different pieces that affect you. But a couple would be like live within your means and be happy with what you have. Those two things, I guess, combine help. I guess, if you're in a hard situation and you're living within your means, you're happy with what you have, it allows you to slowly grow and potentially get into a better spot. I guess that's. Those are like the two main things, just because I don't know.

Guy:

So many people love to live on debt and, yeah, the wrong type of debt. So, yeah, that's that would be my thing. Live within your means, be happy with what you have, yeah uh recipe for less stress than the regular way of doing things.

Mae:

Just wants to like keep up with the genders have that new pair of shoes. Yeah, like big fancy cars what or did you collect anything before nft a?

Guy:

little bit like we. I had like baseball cards and football cards and basketball cards back in the day, but that wasn't that definitely stopped as I when I got older. But my wife and I we had someone we know. We commissioned them to paint a couple pieces for us, a couple pieces for us. We have those in our house. And then we've collected like photography work for my wife's office and a couple pieces for our house before NFTs, but not like we didn't know big names, just local art.

Mae:

Yeah, and you weren't doing it to make a profit on it, it was just actually to leaven up the space.

Guy:

Yes, and it was to buy local artists and not like the ikea. Yeah, ready to go. Oh, that's a cool one. I have no idea who the artist is. I'll put it on my wall and if it breaks I'll just throw it away yeah, no, that's cool.

Mae:

Okay, what do you like and dislike about web3? I see?

Guy:

I love currently. The still has that like small community vibe for the most part and enjoy that. I enjoy the artists, the art side of it, not a huge fan of the degen side of it, even though I was part of it for just a brief second. I guess mainly why I'm not a huge fan of the DeGene part is because I guess when I started it was mostly the. It felt like it was mostly the crypto guys that were getting in and losing their money and whatnot.

Guy:

And you know those guys, they're used to losing money on doing bad trade, so it's not like they're like just chalk it up, whereas now I feel, at least for that JPEG, that PFP summer yeah, a lot of artists got involved and got wrecked and they're not used to that happening. It's a different game that most people aren't used to. It's one I don't even I don't play. I don't trade crypto because I know I don't read charts, I don't spend time on them, so it's definitely one that I don't play. I feel like I'm a little better if I do the PFP game, but I don't even play it because it's definitely one that I don't play.

Guy:

I feel like I'm a little better if I do the pfp game but I don't even play it because it's not worth it. It's too much, too stressful. There's always like a notification yeah, they check your discords all the time. It's just pain, and I think a lot of artists weren't ready for that when they tried to do it and, uh, they lost a lot of money yeah, I think that's definitely true.

Mae:

One thing that I've heard pretty consistently from a lot of the artists and a lot of the collectors that I speak to is that they, you know, if it was an easy thing to do, then they would definitely do it to use those profits to buy art, and so I think it's really like it's an alluring thing for especially, I think, for artists who don't have like stacks of crypto but want to be able to support people in the community by buying even just editions and stuff. But it's such a deceptive game if you, it's really easy to just see the huge gains that people have made and ignore the thousands of people who have been like horrifically wrecked yeah, it's, it looks easier to play, but you get sucked in yeah and

Guy:

and the mindset of it's so easy to say, if I just do one good trade a day, like I could quit my day job, and so people go all in yeah, if you're gonna, I'm not even gonna recommend you do it, but if you do it you gotta be happy with a 2x max and just get out of a project, pay for what you got, get your money out plus some and then maybe ride the rest if you're lucky, but it's most can't do that yeah, you gotta have.

Mae:

You gotta have too much time on your hands, I think, to be able to pay like close enough attention to it the people that are making money.

Guy:

This is their. They've been doing it longer than you have yeah many exit liquidity.

Mae:

Here it's you for sure where do you think that digital art and nfts are going to be in five years?

Guy:

man, this is a hard one, like we have so many things coming to an to a head right now especially like ai is just exploding, it seems like, and VR is just getting better and AR.

Mae:

Oh yeah, that's an interesting point.

Guy:

I think AR is probably like the next hybrid, something with NFTs, and that's probably before five years. I think that's going to be pretty impressive and amazing. Probably be four or five years. I think that's going to be pretty impressive and amazing. I have thought it'd be amazing to have some sort of gallery set up that's in like a gallery with the stuff on the wall or digital frames, I don't even know but an AR experience so you can walk through and there's like art hanging there, but it's not hanging there or in the middle of the room that you can walk around. It'd be cool. I don't know how you would do it.

Mae:

I don't know either, but it would be cool.

Guy:

Yeah, or even the projection mapping. You could do some really cool stuff with that and AR. I don't know. I think there could be a lot of cool stuff with that and AR. I don't know, I think there could be a lot of cool things with AR. I think AR is the next step. For sure, vr is cool. You can do that at home and we just got to wait for the tech to be there in high definition, versus what it is now.

Mae:

Yeah, it's a hard question, I I think, because if you think about the last five years and what technology has done and what has happened in this space specifically, I don't think that anyone five years ago could have really predicted that today we have, like gpt doing what it's doing, the mid journeys of the world, like a lot of it's just come in such even, like I'm saying, in the last five years, in the last month. Actually, all of these things have just like exploded, leaps and bounds ahead of where I anticipated them to be.

Guy:

Anyway, for sure they really have. Yeah, I haven't even messed around with the light latest mid journey, but it looks pretty amazing and the chat gbt is just it's. It's a game changer. Like, how could I implement this in more of my life? So my life is easy.

Mae:

Yeah, I've read so many Twitter threads where people are like here's some really cool examples of people using it. But now my For you page which I'm actually not that mad about it's just full of threads like that, of like different ways that people are implementing it, and I's really fascinating. I work in IT, obviously, and so there's there's a really clear divide in my workplace at the moment, where half of the staff are like really embracing it and the other half are like no, I will never touch this. And I feel like in five years from now, the people who have just refused to get to know AI software and like how to use it in a productive way are probably going to have fallen behind, because it's inevitable at this point.

Guy:

Yeah.

Mae:

There's no going back.

Guy:

It's true. Yeah, the box is open.

Mae:

Okay, no pressure. What makes you decide to buy a piece of art? What's your trigger?

Guy:

I mean there's lots of factors. First of all, I have to see I could see that helping yeah. But besides that, sometimes I like an artist and I like their style, but I don't necessarily they haven't made a piece that clicks. Yeah, I think this is a big one, just yeah. And I'm not just gonna buy an artist just because I like them.

Guy:

I don't know why, like the work that I buy as well yeah, so yeah, sometimes it takes time, like there are occasionally those pieces like, oh, that that's reasonably priced, I really like it. I'm going to at least throw a bid out there and if I win it, if someone else swoops it, all right, but at least I still got them on my radar. But yeah, and as far as some discoverability, I have notifications turned on for a few accounts that I like what they have to say or like their taste in art, and I see those notifications where I sometimes discover new work is from retweets or spotlights, I guess you could say from other artists, because I don't scroll my feed at all.

Mae:

Yeah, it's always been like an interesting point about you that you don't scroll the timeline, but I think that's a really productive way actually to find new work, because I do the same thing. I have notifications on for a lot of people who I know will pretty consistently retweet or like spotlight artists and who have similar tastes as me.

Guy:

so I think it's it works, definitely does.

Mae:

I'm gonna throw in a wild card question here because of what you said about bin. I feel like I'm seeing less people go to auction like listing as auctions lately. I think we're moving into more of a have a discussion about it in the dms like private sale or people just leaving things there, no listing, just open for offers thoughts. Do you hate auctions? Do you love them?

Guy:

I don't mind auctions because they're technically well okay. It depends on the type of market we're in.

Guy:

You know, bull market auctions are the best for the artist because you get the run up or the hype. So there's that. The one thing I hate about offers is I have no idea what to throw out there as an offer is. I have no idea what to throw out there as an offer Because you know what you do. If they have some history you can be like all right. But then the flip side is it's a bear market. So you're like can I get a deal here? Maybe I'll throw out a low one? And then they're like you're a jerk and you're like it's a bear market.

Mae:

Yeah, yeah, like you're a jerk and you're like you gotta risk it. It's a bear, it's a bear market. Yeah, yeah, you're right, I think it does depend. It's big time on the kind of market that we're in yeah, it's hard, yeah, it's hard.

Guy:

I the flip side of getting into dms is like I miss a lot of dms and sometimes I just don't want to open another DM.

Mae:

Yeah, as an artist, I get a lot of DMs and it makes me like overwhelmed to consider how much you guys must get.

Guy:

Yeah, yeah, I miss a lot, especially because, like on your phone, you only have eight, not a lot of real estate. Eight or ten. And then, especially if you're like I have started to leave group chats because they're always at the top, yeah. And you're like I'm missing all these other DMs because of these stupid group chats. Not that they're stupid, they're awesome, but I'm leaving them because they take up all my space on my twitter dms.

Mae:

Yeah, if you could you can pin them and you can reorder those ones, but you can only pin so many. But if you could, firstly, if muting actually worked on twitter oh, it doesn't at all, but yeah, if you could favorite more or I don't know there should be like a filter like hey, what are my unreads? Yeah, yeah, even that. Yeah, there's some improvement. I'm gonna DM Elon about that, because I'm sure he reads all of his messages. What's your favorite movie quote?

Guy:

there's always one that sticks out to me and I've loved it and I always come back to it. It's from a western called Tombstone and it's Doc Holliday saying the wider. There is no normal life, there's just life.

Guy:

I was really quite prepared to make fun of you about it being from a western, but that's a fantastic quote like that's the one thing that stands out, like in this day, and I feel like there sometimes is more than there should be. Poor me and it's yo. We all have our struggles. There's no like normal. You just live your life and get through it. Yeah, we all have our issues.

Mae:

Yeah, I like it. What do you wish that there was more of in the nft space?

Guy:

experimentation or innovation, or maybe I guess it'd be experimentation on the artist side. I feel many stick with what's safe, which isn't terrible, but there's not a ton of experimentation, I feel.

Mae:

Yeah, I think you're definitely right about that. It's because it's scary, I think. But yeah, I would be nice to say more, but yeah.

Guy:

Yeah, I mean it's hard because many don't have many, much or much experimentation probably could happen with the dev side and many artists don't develop. So sometimes you have to be in collaboration with the dev to okay, can I do this, is this possible, and that it costs money.

Mae:

Yeah, and can be like inaccessible. I think I had a friend recently who was trying to find who's trying to connect to the dev to get something done and I really struggled to find someone who could. I don't think the issue was getting done what they wanted to do. I think it was actually just getting in touch with someone who was, like, available or willing to work on what they wanted.

Guy:

No, that makes sense. Devs are in hot demand, yeah, and they have been for a while, yeah, so what's the best and funniest thing that you've spent money on.

Mae:

I said that was one thing best and funniest.

Guy:

Yeah, yeah.

Mae:

But no two separate things Best investment or, like favorite piece, most hilarious thing that you have bought?

Guy:

Or like favorite piece, most hilarious thing that you have bought In the crypto art space. I would say my best investment at this moment would be buying a eternal pump from Dimitri, because I think I scored it for like a knee and that was after the initial pump, when they came out Like it got botted quick, like I tried to mint it and it got botted and it pumped to 25-8. And then it came down and I kept on watching them come down and down and I think I finally bought it at 11. And now hindsight, I should have bought as many as I could have at 11, 10, 8.

Mae:

But still a very good win yeah.

Guy:

Yeah, yeah, I'd love. I only have one. I'd love to land another one if some things happened, but I don't see those things happening right now. Okay, and funny I still like my. I think it was my very first purchase of a one-on-one or. Sorry, it wasn't actually an edition, it's actually an edition and it was the scream, but Pepe version. How have I not seen this and it has a stock chart going down to zero.

Mae:

Oh wait, maybe I have seen this and that's amazing.

Guy:

So that I mean, I don't know if it's funny, I bought it because it was funny. Maybe that's not the silliest, but I laughed and I bought it.

Mae:

That definitely counts. I laughed and I bought it. That definitely counts. I laughed and I bought it. Definitely counts. Okay, tricky one. If you could commission a piece with two artists, who would they be?

Guy:

I hate these questions so much. This is so hard because there's so many quality artists out there and a collab is hard just because I want this to work together.

Mae:

Yeah, and to find two people whose styles are uniquely cohesive.

Guy:

And I hate lists too, so it's a All right, I wonder. No, I'm like sorry, I knew this question was coming and I'm the dummy that still has no answer for it.

Mae:

To be fair, you tried to prepare. I did.

Guy:

I did and I was like, but I'm gonna, I'm just gonna answer it and I'm going to go with. I feel like I'm gonna make a mistake here, not in a mistake here.

Guy:

Not a mistake as these two probably don't go together, Damn it. Okay, this, I don't know. I'm like thinking Snow and this would be like a one-of-one type, which Snowfro doesn't really do those, but maybe who knows? Okay, so Snowfro doesn't really do those, but maybe who knows? Okay, so Snowfro, and. But the funny thing is, the only thing that comes to mind is the Squiggle. But Okay, I want to go with Snowfro and I want to go with. I think it'd be interesting if you and him did something.

Mae:

What May I mean? I just sit here and stare into space for five minutes thinking about Carmelo a generative 3D combo thing. I can think of ways it would work yeah, I don't know.

Guy:

Maybe I know because I like had ruben woo in my head and kath was in my head and I'm just like I don't know. I feel like it'd be a generative artist would be interesting to do something like that I think two like entirely digital things as well, like one's code one.

Mae:

For me anyway, it's like a landscape which is real, but it's also actually not even a little bit real and I don't know how.

Guy:

Anyways, yeah, there you go. Okay, I don't know how it would work, but sure let's do it so what?

Mae:

yeah, let's, we'll come back to that. Okay, what's one fun fact about you, interesting fact that other people might not know?

Guy:

so, fun fact, it took me a long time to go through school, like a long time, like eight years, to get my degree. Finally, and part of that time, I went to take art classes to try and get into a design school. I did that for two and a half years, so I took some art classes back in the day.

Mae:

Okay, I feel like there's more of a story here. So what drew you there in the first place?

Guy:

So I wanted to do product design and there's a school in Pasadena that is like one of the top schools for automotive design. They have a product design as well and that's the school I was wanting to get into. And so you have to build up your portfolio to get into that school and I was taking classes at Pasadena City College and then their night school, the art center at night, and the professors teach at the night school and PCC, and so I was taking from their professors and everything for two years.

Guy:

Oh, that's cool, and I never felt I was good enough to get into the school. Because, seeing the people next to you and you're like, frick, these guys are good at sketching quickly and detailed, and you're like my thought was I'm never going to get that good, I've been here for two years and not going to be this good and I was like, well, maybe I'll do something else.

Mae:

Yeah, I think a lot of people will be able to resonate with that thought for sure okay, that's a very fun fact. Um, how do you prefer to connect with new people in the nft space? Nft space We've established that your DMs are very full.

Guy:

My favorite thing has been meeting people in person, especially if we have been communicating in the DMs, because it's just like another level in person, like for Clutch, and I really hit it off in person. And there's several others. One recent one that stands out was like a couple weeks ago in LA, I'm at Pravin and I didn't hear his name and I, freaking, was like dude, this guy's excited to see me. I didn't even hear who it was and then I had to go and ask hey, who's that guy over there? They're like they said his name and I was like I can't hear what you said. And then finally they showed me on Twitter. I was like, oh shoot, that's private, I need to go say hi to him so.

Guy:

I did. I went and reintroduced myself to him because I felt like a jerk this person that you enjoy talking to and you completely act like you don't know them because you didn't hear their name gotta tell you I'm about to meet a lot of people for the first time in real life, and that's maybe one of my biggest fears is, or what is?

Mae:

it's not that I didn't hear it, but what if I actually don't know who they are?

Guy:

oh yeah, so I guess my hot. My tip to anyone meeting people at these events is have a screenshot, maybe of your profile, so you can just like flash it.

Mae:

Oh, that's a great idea.

Guy:

Instead of having to look it up on Twitter because, like, I felt so bad because he was and I would have been excited to see him too, but I didn't hear who he was. Bad because he was and I would have been excited to see him too, but I didn't hear who he was. Yeah, and because you don't like, especially with anons, you don't know what they look like, so you just hear you're like this person's excited to meet me.

Guy:

I don't know if it's an artist or who and then when I did, I was like ah dude. I went and, like, dude, I did not hear your name. I finally found out who you are. So we just that rest of the night we went and grabbed some food, we hung out and we talked like the rest of the night. That's so, yeah, don't be afraid to like, keep on asking until you get clarification on who it is, because I was embarrassed to keep on asking so I finally asked someone else.

Guy:

but yeah, I guess have a screenshot or something of who you are, because it's easy to be like, and that happened a couple times that night, so Complex was there.

Mae:

Mm-hmm.

Guy:

And I did not hear what he said at all.

Guy:

I was like oh okay, nice to meet you.

Guy:

Then I was like who was that he's so complex? I'm like what? So yeah, because these events are usually loud ish yeah so definitely don't be afraid to ask, because it sucks when you miss out on someone that's your friend and then you totally don't even realize it.

Mae:

Yeah, that's a really good point. Okay, and for some of the people who might want to be your best friend but aren't able to make it to IRL event, Is it a like?

Guy:

I think you and I connected from like me.

Mae:

Just I don't want to say trolling you on the timeline, but I think collectively the Elmersers and you were like pretty consistently bantering and then I just came in and decided I was gonna join them, just railroaded the banter.

Guy:

I think the memes are a good way to get on someone's radar or like being funny just show a bit of personality yeah, I mean it definitely have to. Has to be consistent, because if you do it once, it's easy to get missed. But as far as on twitter, if you are constantly thoughtfully replying to stuff or at least being funny about it, you'll get noticed eventually.

Guy:

Yeah.

Guy:

By someone, whoever it is that you're replying to.

Mae:

Okay, and do you have any projects that you would like to talk about before we? Yeah?

Guy:

So Clutch and I curated a premium curated edition project called Click Create. It's clickcreateio and I don't know. It's a project that we feel strongly about that's very art-focused and artist-focused. We are putting lots of effort into promoting artists, I think better than any other platform is doing at the moment. I think those promo videos are better than probably most anything out there right now and I usually don't talk like that, but honestly I haven't seen many out there besides some artists that have done it themselves.

Guy:

Yeah.

Guy:

Like Kath, some of her promos are top-notch, but I don't see many people investing even in themselves to do promos like that, or even platforms. So that's what I would say. It's a art focused, curated collection that relies upon curators to select artists for each month, and each month is going to be different but cohesive.

Mae:

Yeah, I think that's probably the biggest thing that I've noticed. Well, the two biggest things really is like, the promotional material that you guys are putting out for Click Create is next level To your point. You don't see much of it to begin with in that sort of format. Next level to your point. You don't see much of it to begin with in that sort of format. But yeah, the focus I guess that you guys have put on that exposure for the artists that are being included in the, in the curations, is just yeah it's. I don't think anyone could ask for much better in terms of support from a like project that they've been included in. It's fantastic thanks, thanks.

Guy:

Yeah, it's like something you could put in your portfolio, or you should put in your portfolio, like it's a lot of summing up of your work, with, like, highlights of your work with some voiceover. Yeah, it's pretty awesome, pretty awesome. I like it pumped Each one I watch. Yeah, yeah, shout out to Jordan and David for helping out with that side.

Mae:

I mean, yeah, you've got a great team working on it as well.

Guy:

Yeah, I couldn't ask for a better small focus team. Yeah, clutch, jordan, david and Perpetual CGI.

Mae:

That's so good, okay, thanks.

Guy:

Yeah, I had a great time.

Mae:

Thanks for coming on your own podcast. Thanks for letting me do your interviewer. The interviewer becomes the interviewee. It's very exciting and it's going to lead to some other very exciting things, I think.

Guy:

Yeah, no, I appreciate it and thanks for taking the time to do this and doing this interview. Yeah, first episode of Norcal and Schill Collector's Vault In the bag Nailed it Perfect.

Mae:

Well, we'll talk soon. Take bag, nailed it.

Guy:

Perfect. Well, we'll talk soon. Take care.

Guy:

Okay, bye, bye.

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