NorCal and Shill
A podcast where NFT artists tell stories, hosted by NorCal Guy. https://twitter.com/GuyNorcal
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NorCal and Shill
Deeze - Collector - Throwback Episode
What if your hobby could turn into a revolutionary investment? Join us as we sit down with Deeze, a leading crypto enthusiast, who takes us through his exhilarating journey sparked by the CryptoPunks sensation. Deeze recounts how a simple introduction to these digital assets by his friend Trill in September 2020 led to a significant shift in his life, comparing the impact of CryptoPunks to collecting rare items in RuneScape. He also shares his innovative approach to NFT events, including renting RVs, and reflects on the vital role of community in the ever-evolving NFT space.
Dreaming of a life split between sunny Miami winters and serene Pacific Northwest summers? Deeze elaborates on his ideal living arrangement while championing the philosophy, "If it's not a fuck yes, it's a fuck no," emphasizing the importance of passionate commitment. We also reminisce about childhood collecting hobbies like Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh cards and discuss how these early interests often fade, making room for more enduring passions. Deeze’s anecdotes offer a glimpse into how our early hobbies can shape our adult pursuits.
Prepare to be inspired by Deeze's thoughts on Web3 technology, decentralized finance, and the dynamic NFT community. He opens up about his family's influence on his aesthetic tastes, shares his most memorable financial decisions, and offers practical advice on investing in quality everyday items. From the volatility of the crypto market to the significance of Ethereum and Bitcoin, this conversation is packed with insights. We wrap up with Deeze's podcasting prep tips and exciting hints at future collaborations, all shared with a touch of humor and sincere gratitude for the chance to connect.
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Who is this? Who is this guy? Norcal guy.
Deeze:NorCal guy, norcal guy, norcal guy, norcal guy, norcal and chill podcast.
Guy:It's chill time. Norcal and chill podcast. What the sh? What the sh? Norcal and chill podcast. It's chill time, norcal and chill podcast. Hey, everyone, welcome to this next episode of nor cal and shill the vault. Deez is a crypto enthusiast who became interested in NFTs through the CryptoPunks phenomenon. In September of 2020, his friend Trill introduced him to the CryptoPunks. Deez compared these to the valuable items in a video game called RuneScape. This sparked Deez's interest as he saw the potential for these NFTs to become highly sought after and valuable. After making some money from Uniswap Summer, deez decided to invest and trade CryptoPunks. This served as a turning point for Deez, igniting his passion for NFTs and the art aspect of the space for NFTs and the art aspect of the space. Deez's journey through the NFT space has been driven by his fascination with the potential, value and creativity behind these digital assets. With a keen eye for opportunities and a passion for meme culture, deez continues to explore and engage in the NFT market. Everyone, please welcome Deez. Hey, deez, welcome to the podcast. How are you doing today?
Deeze:Gee man, thanks for having me. Glad to be here. I know it's been a long time coming.
Guy:It has been it has. I'm glad we could make this happen. It would have been awesome to do it in person, but there's no events right now, at this time. Well, I'm not. Was it like Bitcoin Miami is like going on, or something?
Deeze:VCon and Bitcoin Miami next weekend, and then, yeah, other than that, I don't really. I don't know what's coming up over the summer. Like I don't have anything in my head until Art Basel, which is way in Decembercember?
Guy:me neither, except maybe, maybe, marfa, marfa, that's about it. How?
Deeze:how could I forget marfa? Yeah, I think I will try to make it there. Um, I was talking to to benny about maybe snagging a couch at his because marfa just books up so fast. It's like one of the hardest things I feel like about attending marfa is like, soon as art blocks makes that date public, um, they have such a dedicated community and there isn't that much, I guess, hospitality in marfa right, so that combination just makes it get out.
Guy:But yeah, yeah, maybe marfa, yeah, no, I um I've looked and I was thinking about renting an RV in like El Paso and driving in and they got a couple of campgrounds there, so I was thinking about that.
Deeze:I never even thought about that, yeah.
Guy:Have you done that before?
Deeze:where you just like rent an RV and go vibe.
Guy:Well, I've rented from like Cru cruising usa I think it is and but not for like any of these events. Um, for, just for the family. Like to like go down to yosemite and come back.
Deeze:That's about it, but uh, there's like one called get a?
Guy:uh rv house at one of these events right, right, there's one called outdoorsy that allows people to rent their rvs that they, you know, are just sitting. So you can rent them. So you can rent some nice ones like toro, but for rvs, exactly.
Deeze:That's awesome. Well, that's a good way to start the pod. Now we have the rv alpha. I didn't know that I could be looking at rvs and then I wouldn't even need to actually get a hotel. I'm just staying there you go news to me for the bear market. I mean, maybe two for one. Instead of renting a car, just rent the rv, and then it's also your hotel it's true, it's true and you know you can.
Guy:They got all sorts of rvs. You know you can get like giant ones or you can just get the the like um sprinter van ones, whatever you want.
Deeze:Yeah, if we have a truck you can even do a pull behind, I guess. I guess you have to rent the truck. But yeah, I'm going through outdoorsy site. Okay, now I have a whole thing bookmarked and a fun thing to do later on.
Guy:Yeah, it's pretty sweet. It's pretty sweet, um, it's pretty sweet, it's pretty sweet.
Deeze:It's just like the logistics of getting from the airport to the spot to the guy. Sometimes they'll drop it off, I guess, but I haven't gotten that far yet. They're not bringing the RV to the airport for you. Like just handing you the keys, the passenger pickup, and be like it's you. You got this.
Guy:Maybe. Maybe you're like hey, can I arrange delivery? Delivery, I'll see you in the bus section.
Deeze:Yeah I'll meet you out in the long-term parking lot oh, awesome, awesome.
Guy:Well, I love it. I love it, maybe, maybe. Well, that's what I'm considering for marfa. So, yeah, we'll see. We'll see how it goes I like that. Now I have another option too yeah, so what were your first thoughts when you heard about nfts?
Deeze:yeah, my first thoughts are probably hard to recollect at this point in time, but the first light bulb that went off for me, or the first like, I guess, real thought that has always stuck with me is really only related to crypto punks and not nfts in general. But, um, my friend told me about crypto punks in like september 2020, right after, you know, swap summer. My friend's trill all know trill love him but he was like, yeah, you need to buy one of these with the money you made. And I looked at them and I realized that they are kind of like these items in a video game I played called runescape and the items were called party hats and they were these items that basically anybody could get for free in 2002. And then, um, after that little event happened, like you could never get them again, and by like 2009, these items were the most valuable items in the game. They were trading for like billions of the in-game currency, which is like two grand usd at the time. So, like as a kid, you were like, oh, I could get this item in a game and sell it and get like a real good computer. Uh, it's kind of crazy.
Deeze:But when I saw the punks, I was like, oh, these are like the party hats of eth, ethereum or like these were these free things that people kind of ignored at first. And you know, some people found them and hoarded them, but in general, just some people only had a couple or one and they were happy with that. And it was to me this like light bulb went off of. Oh well, people who just made money off a Uniswap summer and are eth native probably want to flex that in some way. Like I should buy a couple of these.
Deeze:I started trading them, I bought one, I traded it and then that is when the light bulb actually went off, like when I sold it in a week or two and realized, like I just made, um, like one point I think I made like an eth, which at the time was nice, crazy, yeah, um, yeah, they bought it for three, sold it for four, and then it's like the light bulb goes off. But, uh, after that I I got into pepe art and this is where, like, the art part of nfts clicked for me.
Deeze:I was on rareable and there's this artist on rareable called very rare friend um and he was making pepe additions that might have been like four to twenty additions a piece and just dropping them on rareable and during the big um, the, the punk kind of flipping. I'm on rareable, I'm looking at these memes and I'm just like I'm gonna try to own, like everyone that he comes out with. So I put his wallet on alerts like I just really like pepe memes and I didn't understand rare pepes like I, um, I got into crypto in 2017.
Deeze:I had seen people mention rare pepes I didn't really understand like counterparty assets or like how is it on bitcoin, but not on bitcoin at the time the only time I was really using bitcoin was like transfer money from an exchange or another exchange, so I didn't really understand, like, what was going on with rare pepes. So fast forward to 2020 and I'm just like, oh, this pepe art's great. Like I didn't really think about, like, oh, there's all these rare pepes I should be collecting. It was like right, this dude's memes are hilarious. It's like the 2020 election and he's doing shit about biden and trump and like it's around the time that politics is bullshit is coming out from people. Um, and you're just seeing this, like you know, every four years in the us, we get these political craziness, uh cycles and we're due for another one next year. But I'm eating up all these memes and he drops like this is where like bulb goes off for me. He drops a physical uh painting as an nft. Oh, shit and okay.
Deeze:I was like oh, holy shit, I need to buy this um and I think I want it for like half an eath. But then, when I I want it um, he dm'd me. I, I got to talk to him. He's like turns out to be this artist from poland and we're talking about shipping and all this stuff and I'm like I'm gonna actually get this like physical piece of art and, sure enough, like he shipped it, I got it. I hung it up on my wall and I'm like, wow, I have like this painting that is represented by this token, and this token is kind of the proof of like, when this painting was made. It kind of has all of it baked into the token, but I also have this real painting and then that's where it really clicked, like the power of the nft.
Deeze:To me it's like there's really never been a point in history where you have a hundred percent verifiable proof of, like a certificate of ownership essentially that isn't forged or like you know that is a hundred percent not forged. Like you can go, look at the block where this piece was minted. You can see where I bought it like from rareable. It's all on chain, it's not going anywhere. And that was really exciting because it's like well, imagine if you could like go back to the mona lisa, see when it was minted, see every time it traded like and just have the history in one spot.
Deeze:And that was kind of my first like big idea. And unlock with nfts was like okay, there's something here in two ways. There's like digitally scarce stuff that people who make money on eth want to collect and like this is cool and I should collect some of this because they'll probably want to buy it later. But then there's this other component of like, well, holy shit, we can buy art and have a record of the provenance of this art piece and know that it is a hundred percent correct and we don't need to like trust the Warhol foundations, say, in a matter or any you know dead artists, when you're trying to verify if it's real or not, you know you have to go through some type of process and this is just like, wow, we just have it all out here.
Deeze:Um, right, and yeah, sorry, that was kind of a long way of saying what my first thoughts were but there were like two important things that kind of happened around the same month that I got in nfts and it was that buying the physical art, pepe and then buying the punks and trading them Right.
Guy:So let's move on to. We took a little break.
Deeze:If you, could live or move anywhere. Where would you live and why? Yeah, that's tough. I haven't really explored enough places around the world to feel like I have a good answer for this. Given all the places I know and what I like, I think my ideal setup might be like spending the winters in miami and then spending the summer either I mean, I don't want to say in ohio, because that's probably lame, but like maybe in seattle or somewhere in the pacific northwest. Um, get the nature vibes out in the summer and then, when it gets colder and rainier, get back to Miami, which I every time I'm in. I just say this because every time I'm in Miami for Art Basel, I have a blast. It's my favorite place to be in December. It's good vibes, nice weather, people are nice like I just like going there. So, yeah, that'd probably be my ideal, but that's with the assumption too that I could afford to move the family from Ohio and get them down there too and not just be a nomad with Mrs D's.
Guy:Yeah, I've had. I think Miami is the more chill event, the most chill event, and I always just enjoy it. It was my first time last year and it's definitely more chill than New York has been for me every each time I've been.
Deeze:Oh yeah, no, it's, it's different vibe. For sure, new York is hectic, I like it, but I can only go for the events and then I come home.
Guy:Yeah. Would never want to want to live there no, what is the best piece of advice you have been given?
Deeze:yeah, I, so I don't remember who said this, but at some point I, I picked up this motto that if it's not a fuck yes, it's a fuck no, and that was probably the like, most concise, simple advice I can give anybody. And, um, yeah, I would probably say that I, I think I probably heard from a podcast like read it on some article like in 2018 or something, but it was definitely something I've kind of internalized. And as you get more opportunities in life and as you have to make decisions between those opportunities, kind of letting the, the fuck yeses filter out everything else seems to have been the best path, and when I say yes to things that aren't fuck yeses, I generally end up regretting it at some later point in time right, right, so did you?
Guy:it sounded like you played games, but did you collect any art or sports cards or comics beforehand?
Deeze:Yeah, I was much more of a digital native who didn't really keep too many things physically. I mean, growing up I kept Pokemon cards and Yu-Gi-Oh cards and then at some point I gave them all to my cousin, and then at some point I gave them all to my cousin, um, and then actually during the NFT, um.
Deeze:So when I got NFTs in 2020 September, uh, there was a lull in the punk market in November and December and sports cards were going crazy oh yeah, I remember that, yeah during that time I actually did start to collect, um, and I probably have like five grand and unboxed Pokemon cards just sitting in my garage from this time where, like I was just buying everything that I could get my hands off and just cracking it open and then I was signing up for all these pre-sales and like trying to get certain I mean, there was this, was this like fucking Hidden Fates Pokemon set, and like trying to get these tins.
Deeze:It would drive to all the GameStops and Targets around in Columbus, like we were in Vegas visiting her family, my wife's family, and we drove 90 minutes to a GameStop in the middle of nowhere so that I could buy like six of these Pokemon card tins. And then I flew back with them and then I still have them in my garage now, like they're in, just like I have complete apathy when I think about it now, like if I could snap my fingers and get 50% of their value and just like watch it vanish, I would immediately so. So I guess, all this being said, I definitely wasn't I. I so I come from a pretty poor family and come from a single mom in northeast ohio, like typical rust belt shit. Nobody in my family was like collecting art really or showing me a bunch of art.
Deeze:Yeah, um, like my dad would find actually like cool stuff from flea markets for like 20 bucks and then we would just hang that up and that was like our art, but we didn't know um the artist or the story behind the work. It was just like, oh, my dad liked how it looked at the flea market, um, yeah, so yeah, I, I don't really have any background there.
Guy:Nice, okay what are the best things about web3 today?
Deeze:I mean the best thing to me is the technology in the community. It's like the. They kind of go hand in hand, but I think that the technology affords us this the decentralized financial system that anybody can kind of plug into and play fairly within the same roles that everyone else has, and there's no discrimination there. It's just like do you have the eth to do the transaction at this point is the discrimination. But then there's other l2s and other chains where you can go and it's like basically free.
Deeze:We know we saw a lot of culture come up on tezos over the last few years because for a variety of narratives that I don't fully agree with um, you know a lot of them doing with like the environmental harm and like the green nft stuff. But I, I you still see like a community coming up in a lower cost environment where it's um just more open. So like I think my my favorite things are just like the community of people and the technology. The people here are great. Every time you go to these events you're filled with. Every time you host a pod and talk to other people in the space just kind of renews you with a little bit more energy and vigor and that's my favorite thing probably.
Guy:Yeah, I agree. I like that those parts a lot. Where do you see digital art in NFTs in five years and do you have any concerns as the space expands?
Deeze:That's tough. So I've only been collecting NFTs for like two and a half years. So it's really hard for me to like extrapolate that trend and then go five years because, like, if you do, it just doesn't work. It's like we're gonna have another hype cycle that was bigger than the last one. We're gonna onboard more people that were bigger than that like I don't know if that is even 100 true, or, like you know, were we at a point in time last cycle where, like, interest rates were super low, everybody was home for the pandemic Money was doing dumb shit, like going into Doge AMC game, like people were just willing to buy things and gamble on it, and like I don't know if, like in the next five years, we're going to have another cycle like that where, like, all the kind of variables line up that well, um.
Deeze:So my concern is, like, the expectations of the people in the space. I think a lot of people got onboarded and they saw what happened in 2021 and then that became more of like a north star to some people, of like what can happen, and I just don don't. I think, like my biggest concern is the expectation management.
Deeze:Like this is a slow burn, like we are in the first inning of what we're doing here, and you know, there might not be that crazy cycle in the next five years, like we hope there will be, but I don't think like to expect it and to bet everything on it is maybe the the brightest thing to do, just because, like so many, I think unique variables lined up in the last cycle that I don't think are likely to line up again, um, so I think that would be my biggest concern. Like I love the technology in the community and I'm really bullish on it, obviously as a collector and a participant. But I like our collective expectations may have gotten a little out of whack, just given how crazy the last cycle was.
Guy:Yeah, it was a little crazy, it was.
Deeze:But then the other part of me is like but human fear and greed will cycle again and like of course it'll always go up higher the next time, because it just makes that like well, maybe it doesn't, I don't know. I mean yeah, yeah, not to be nihilistic, but that's my biggest concern.
Guy:Yeah, I mean, I feel I see both sides of it. I mean, depending on how you know the crypto market goes in general, then I, you know, if that goes crazy again, like I expected that to go way crazier than it did, like it was a little little soft.
Deeze:this left this past time for me like you thought we'd get like the multiples on the all-time high that we got in 2017, 2018. So if, like the previous, all-time high on eth was or, you know, let's do bitcoin. Uh right, I'd pull up a chart here and just do like.
Guy:It was like at 20 and I was expecting we'd be seeing like 150 yeah, like we went from 200 to 20k yeah and then we went down to three grand.
Deeze:so you're thinking like, oh, like maybe go up to 300K, yeah. Or like something like on a level of that last cycle. Yeah.
Guy:Right right.
Deeze:So no, I feel that too. And then I'm somebody who like holds most of their crypto wealth in ETH. Like I don't really have too much Bitcoin. It's probably like 10% of my liquid crypto holdings is Bitcoin and the rest is ETH. So I'm like pretty strapped to this Ethereum muscle. And then that's another you know, kind of contentious debate, because since 2020, I mean, ETH has done a lot. I mean you're happier if you're holding ETH than Bitcoin over the last like two years, because ETH is up something like 300% versus Bitcoin. But yeah, it's a whole thing Sorry.
Guy:Sorry to go down this whole rabbit hole.
Deeze:I think important for people to hear too. That's why I guess I brought it up. That is. My concern is just the expectations are too out of whack and crazy.
Guy:Yeah, yeah, I mean mean, yeah, that's like every crypto pool market.
Deeze:It seems like, and I think in general, like if if we go back to life advice, if you adopt the um kind of mentality that you're always expecting little or nothing, like you can really only be surprised positively. Like if you're expecting hell and doom and like it's sunshine and rainbows, like you're probably happier than if you were expecting sunshine and rainbows and it's hell and doom, um right, it's kind of a thing I try to do in life is to have pretty little expectations and to just kind of um be grateful when my optimism pays off, but to not get too worried when it doesn't Right for sure, for sure.
Guy:So what makes you decide to buy a piece of art? Do you watch the artists for a while? Get to know them?
Deeze:Or sometimes it's just that I need that right now. Yeah, it's definitely a good mix. Yeah, in general, lately it's a lot more of the former. Like, I've been watching this artist for a while, I've been talking to them, I've been talking about their other pieces before and connecting with them, and then I see a piece and I feel really confident. I'm like okay, I need to to buy this.
Deeze:Um, back in the bull market it was a lot more like instant click type of stuff and I think, because I was processing so much stimuli that I didn't and this is a regret honestly like I wish I would have spent the time in the bull market to go deeper with artists and build those connections before buying work, because I definitely spread myself out too thin, buying a bunch of art from a bunch of different artists at that instant click mentality, and then like a year later you know so many different people you collect from, have so many different expectations of you as a collector and they see things that you know the way you publicly engage with some people you collect from and the way you publicly engage other people you collect from, and then they might be like having different expectations as to what you could do for them or like right, uh, there's just like I. I really.
Deeze:I tweeted something a few months ago that was something along the lines of buying art you don't love from people you love does like more harm than good in the long run and I think in my head, what I mean by that is like by buying art from an artist, you love the artist, but you don't love the art, you're kind of signaling to that artist that like you like that piece, you like that style, they might make more pieces or more work similar to that style. Because you bought it and then you might just like fuck with the whole psyche of it, when you were really just buying it, because you liked them, um, as a person and you wanted to support them. It like might have been better to just donate that money.
Deeze:Um, in those scenarios like I and I don't mean to say that in like a bad way, but I've had felt that way where I look at some things, I'm just like man, like I feel bad, like I don't want to ignore these dms or this thing, but like how did I get myself here? Um, type of stuff so definitely want to collect with more intent and connection to both the artist and the pieces than like more than instant click stuff, um, but there's always stuff that's gonna cut through and it might be instant click and then you just have to kind of follow your gut. It's just like not letting everything get through but just being like really picky with what that instant click is right.
Guy:I mean it's hard. I I understand the um cause you can't. There's only so many people you can have like relationships with.
Deeze:I get Dunbar's number all the time. Yeah, so it's just as hard, You're like. You're like.
Deeze:Frank, you know, I'm like, I'm like you have like 150 people in your web that you can like consciously, kind of hierarchically, talk to and do stuff with and build, and then, like, once you get past that 150 number, it just becomes crazy and it's like I follow 5500 people and they can all dm me and you know, I I collect art from more than 150 artists themselves and that doesn't include, like, other people in my circle. So it it definitely becomes a challenge of trying to prioritize, like where am I spending my time? Am I intentful with my time, or am I just spending it because, like, I was in front of a screen for six hours and this thing came up and I went and did it because, like they asked or something like that. This is a lot of relationships to balance there.
Guy:For sure, for sure. So what is your favorite movie quote?
Deeze:yes, I'm glad you gave me this one ahead of time. I was kind of mentioning it, um, it's actually a tv quote, um, and it's from the tv show succession, but it's when the, the dad is basically saying, like I love you, but you're not serious people. It's just like it's such a good quote, like there's so many people I love, but they are not serious. And I guess, like, when I think of the word serious, I mean like thinking rationally and like doing what you say you're gonna do, and like getting your shit done is kind of what I mean by serious first. Like just like people who are unserious, like talk about a lot of things but don't do any of it, or like maybe just spend too much time bullshitting on twitter instead of actually doing things. Um, so yeah, that's my favorite quote all right, I love it.
Guy:I love it. What would you like to see more of in the crypto art space?
Deeze:it's a good question. I mean, I want to see more of like things that we're doing with Escher, where we're aggregating and bringing everything to, hopefully, one platform. I think it's kind of a crazy environment for a new collector to come into the space right now and have to dabble in. I mean, at the minimum, it seems like you need to know uh, super rare foundation, open c manifold, and then you need to understand that, the way that manifold's set up, every artist needs to promote their drops by themselves, and then you need to probably dig through either link trees or old tweets to find links to things.
Deeze:Uh, yeah, yeah so I think like I'd like to just see more of a ux focused aggregated layer on top of what we have in the nft space, kind of like what we're trying to do with escher, but just more like I want to spend 30 minutes looking at higher signal stuff and I don't want to like go dig through um, just link trees or my own google sheet of lists where I'm trying to to keep things like I'm like, oh wait, what what? I know there's this one artist I love. Like what I need to go find this piece and like, okay, I'm looking in a google sheet that I made a year and a half ago and I can't find the piece.
Deeze:Oh fuck, they minted it on fucking Rarible and that's why I can't see it on any of the things they have in their link tree or anything they've ever posted, because it was like their third piece that they minted on Rarible and it's like for an art collector you want to have, like we have this beautiful technology that's completely transparent, everything is on chain, but we don't have a front end that plugs into it. That gives us that transparency. Yeah, in a way where, like, you can hand it to a person who just likes to collect art and doesn't care about web three tech and then they can discover art they love and connect with. Like we don't have that, or I don't see it, so I'd like to see more of that yeah, some good points.
Guy:Yeah, I can't wait to see more what comes out of escher and how that all comes together. For sure, yeah, it's exciting. What is the best thing and silliest thing you've spent money on?
Deeze:all right. Well, the silliest thing. We'll start that first. Um, during the piglet ball market I bought x coffee 101 and it was way too much money. It was um 9x more than I had ever paid for any other thing in my life. Uh, oh, I guess it was actually that would be like three. It was 3x more than the house we were living in. Um, but it was 9x more the most I ever spent on nft put it that way or like a piece of art. So then I had to sell it in december, so I bought it in january and I held it for like 11 and a half months and I sold it in december for tax reasons and like took a 600 000 loss, which at the time was like me losing two of our old homes. So that was the silliest thing I've ever done. I definitely learned a big lesson.
Deeze:And like fomo um and just like taking a step back. Um and then, the best things I've ever bought like. It's probably stupid, but I would say probably my, my desk and my like like my desk setup is the best thing I've ever bought. Like I have a nice adjustable standing disc from uplift on wheels. Um, I have a 49 inch monitor that I just love, like I can see everything on one screen with it. Yeah, the roadcaster, the microphone for this podcast. Like nice desk speakers, the best money is. I spend 16 hours a day, it seems like, in this office, so it's like spending money on things in the office at my desk is right. Um, probably my, my, favorite I like it because you use it every day.
Deeze:It's like the most functional.
Deeze:Thing another nice. We bought like an eight sleep bed three years ago or so, and it's this bed where you can control the temperature on each side, whether it's like hot or cold. It has settings through like negative 10 up to 10. Oh, wow.
Deeze:And my wife is a very like.
Deeze:She's very cold at night and wants to be very warm, and I am very hot at night and I want to be very cold at night and wants to be very warm, and I am very hot at night and I want to be very cold.
Deeze:And we've always had problems trying to figure out like what temperature is the room need to be like, what side of the bed is the fan hitting like very you know stupid stuff. But when we got this bed, she's just able to make her side hot, I'm able to make my side cold, and then there's this like boundary in the middle where, if I pass over just a little bit too much, I'm like, oh, I'm in the lava now, like I need to get back to the ice, like you can feel it on the bed, where it changes and you're like, oh shit, like I wake up, it's so hot on that side. But that's probably the other thing, and this is another piece of advice. I don't remember where I picked it up from, but somebody said something along the lines of you should spend a lot of money on the things that separate you from the ground, like a bed, a chair, a car, like things that you're, you know, letting gravity put you at risk for.
Deeze:And it kind of makes sense, at least for me, with the chair and the bed, because you're spending hopefully seven, eight hours a night in your bed and then you're probably spending eight plus in a chair. So you know more than 50% of your day you're using the bed or the chair. So why not buy a really nice bed and a really nice chair? You know, you might only be driving for like 20 minutes a day, so maybe you don't need a really nice car, but so do you have that?
Guy:Was it Edinburgh down or that Finland? Oh, man, no, no Is this a trill recommendation, so so I.
Deeze:I asked trill for a bed and he recommends a bed that I would need to drive to chicago to to even feel, because that's where the closest, um, what's it called?
Deeze:like display center is, and then yeah he's like, yeah, like the high-end bed is like 300, um, the low-end bed is like 50 and you're like like thousand dollars, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a dude like my old house was less than the bed. Um, I, I can't even imagine having a bed in a house where the bed is worth more than the house. But yeah, no, I haven't made that jump. Like the eight sleep, I think, is like three grand, so it's definitely not at the price point of like the these beds. But it's kind of an aspirational goal in my life now to at least like try the bed, like not maybe buy it, but like if they're making beds by hand and charging this amount of money and they're like a company that's been in business for a minute, like maybe there's something here, like I, I don't know, like I, I just think, like you know, maybe there is something there, I don't know you can start off with the pillow first yeah, the the 500 or 1000 dollar pillow.
Deeze:I'm a big fan of these like 30 cold pillows from target. They're not like memory foam but they're not like a feathery pillow. They're like kind of in the middle in terms of stiffness, but they just give off this like cool air vibe where it's just like your head hits it and it doesn't get warm, that it goes back to my bed where I just like want to sleep on a cold bed. So yeah, there's my alpha on some, some of my favorite things I've bought, and then, uh, some silly things I love it if you could commission a piece and have two artists collab on it.
Guy:Which two artists would it be?
Deeze:yeah, this one's tough. My gut reaction to this when I first read it which I have no idea what this collab would even look like would would have been um, summer wagner and killer acid. Okay, as I think about it more like I think a, uh, a zade collab with sam spratt is another one that comes to mind, right, um, but yeah, those will be the two that I'll just throw out there. I don't even know what those end up looking like. Those are just like some of my favorite people, I think, making really unique art in a thoughtful way.
Guy:I like it. What is an interesting fact about you that people may not be aware of?
Deeze:Yeah, I don't know if this is interesting, but I think as new, new people come into this space, it's worth saying.
Deeze:It's like all the nfts I own come from two eth I took out of my long-term bag, put into a wallet to gamble on uniswap shit coins and like that was it. A lot of people think, like wrongly, that I come from a family with a bunch of money and that I just fire off on all this shit because I have nothing to lose. Um, and they don't realize like the story behind me is that I was basically someone trapped in the mud and, um, the uniswap shitcoin season of summer 2020, when I was a nobody changed my life in the sense I was able to make like I don't know. I turned two ETH into maybe 50 ETH over the course of a summer and then I took that 50 ETH and just started buying punks and I started minting art blocks and started just getting involved with the NFT space. So a lot of people who came in after Bored Apes and came in in 2022 and later they don't have the background on me that I think they should have. So I think that's the most maybe interesting thing.
Guy:Yeah, I know you have a couple of podcasts. Let's hear about those.
Deeze:I work on. I guess I don't even know if it's a podcast. We do a little pod but it's just a podcast. We do a little pod but it's just a podcast with me and Andy. And then we also do Shipwrecked, which is another podcast with me and Redbeard. You've been on Shipwrecked. You know the vibes. You made biscuits in our first ever episode or second ever episode after we talked to DeFaced, and those are what I'm really passionate about.
Deeze:It's just talking to other people in a space like this and just getting to have a deeper conversation and then share it with the greater community so that they can build those.
Deeze:In a way it's a parasocial relationship, but in a way it's also trust, like when you hear so many different people talk to other different people, you get to see how their mind works over time and you get to build up this level of trust with them.
Deeze:So, yeah, I'm I'm excited for the longer form video, like we do state of the art with escher, where, um I get to on some of the episodes I actually get to, like see the either photoshop or procreate or lightroom behind the scenes and see the layers. And, like with summer wagner's we just dropped today, we got to see her behind the scenes in light room and she would go from the raw to the edit. Oh yeah, and then you're able to realize, like holy shit, she's making so much magic happen before. Like in the raw there's magic and then it's just being kind of brought out in the edit, but it's like not like she's in photoshop doing all this color correcting or adding stuff. It's just all very much like she did it in the raw while she was there right and that it's like that type of stuff I really like doing.
Deeze:So, um, look out for more like long form content coming from me. I've been trying to write a sub stack article too for like three weeks, but it might actually get out next week. We'll see. It kind of goes into what I said about the interesting fact about me. It was just more trying to give people context as to who the fuck is this Deez guy and why should I care? So I was like maybe I should just write an article at the top of the sub stack. The first article is who the fuck is Deez? I don't know.
Deeze:Maybe that's also a narcissistic thing. I go back and forth between like, is writing something like that narcissistic or is it helpful? It feels helpful, but then I always have imposter syndrome and it's like writing about myself feels weird. So right, I feel you, so maybe maybe you won't see that article maybe you will I'm still obviously working through, if I even want to post it, but um, it's almost there cool.
Guy:Well, deez, thank you so much for coming on the show today giving me some of your time. I really loved it. I really enjoyed this conversation, thank you thank you for having me.
Deeze:glad I got to come on. This is a different format for me too. I like, uh, having everything ahead of time is unique, but it definitely lets you prepare. Normally I'm just like if you had asked me the movie quote or a couple of the other ones, I would have just been like man, give me 30 seconds. But having it ahead of time was nice. So thank you for having me on and I know we'll talk soon either maybe on a future we do a little pod or another NorCal and chill or whatever spaces. Sounds good, man, all right, thanks for having me.
Guy:Who is this guy? Who is this guy? Who is this guy? Who is this guy? Norcal guy.
Deeze:NorCal guy, norcal guy, norcal guy, norcal guy, norcal guy.
Guy:NorCal guy, norcal guy, norcal and chill podcast.
Deeze:Outro Music.