NorCal and Shill
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NorCal and Shill
Surreal Collages, NFTs, and the Intersection of Art and Technology with PostWook
Los Angeles-based digital artist Post Wook joins our podcast to share her fascinating artistic journey and how she found her niche in surreal landscape collage art. Transitioning from traditional mediums like painting and drawing to collage in 2007, she discovered a new realm of self-expression that was both liberating and transformative. Post Wook candidly discusses her initial skepticism toward the NFT market, a skepticism that quickly turned into curiosity after witnessing a friend's success. Her story highlights the importance of community, as she found camaraderie and inspiration on platforms like Clubhouse, where art and technology enthusiasts converge.
In our conversation, Post Wook opens up about the personal routines that keep her grounded, including her unique approach to stress-free mornings and the practicalities of managing crypto assets with hardware wallets. She shares her thoughts on the future of digital art, decentralization, and the intriguing challenges of copyright and open-source content in the evolving web three landscape. As we explore her artistic evolution, it's clear that Post Wook's journey is marked by a harmonious blend of art and tech, underscored by a genuine commitment to authenticity and meaningful connections in the crypto art space.
We also explore the deeper aspects of building relationships within the NFT community and beyond. Post Wook emphasizes the importance of distinguishing genuine connections from transactional interactions, drawing parallels to a collaborative startup culture where shared visions foster lasting bonds. Her love for California's diverse beauty and her aspirations for sustainable homesteading add a personal touch to the episode. Meanwhile, her adventurous involvement in space-themed projects, including sending personal audio files into space, showcases her innovative spirit. Join us for an inspiring conversation that paints a vivid picture of a life where art, technology, and dreams intersect.
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NorCal Guy:Shield Podcast. What the the Shield? Post Wook is a Los Angeles-based digital artist mainly focused on surreal landscape collage art with refined, visionary and psychedelic elements. Her style aims to be palatable for both the seasoned psychonaut and average Joe and everyone in between. Her work combines snippets of landscapes from all over the globe to demonstrate how interconnected we all truly are. As a lifelong collager, postwook challenges perception of shapes, color and texture to create entirely new universes out of pre-existing photos.
NorCal Guy:Postwook picked up collage in 2007 after drawing and painting didn't feel quite right and always stayed close to the medium. After completing university with a BA in political science and working on a political campaign, post Wilk felt creatively starved and sought out an outlet once more, turning back to collage. Freeing her inner child through art was not only therapeutic but eventually became an integrated part of PostWook's life as a self-taught artist. She never intended to become a professional artist, but now strongly believes in the importance of therapeutic and self-taught art. Postwook strongly believes in a future of digital art and decentralization. Her fascination with copyright and open source content drive her dialogue in the web three space and she is committed to asking challenging questions to bridge the gap between art and technology. Everybody, please welcome Post Wook. Hey Post Wook. Welcome to the podcast. How are you doing today?
Post Wook:Hey, I'm great Nice. Like great, I don't know. I have nothing else to say, I'm just great, awesome.
NorCal Guy:I mean it's a super nice day up here where I am in NorCal. It's like 64 out. It's perfect nice day up here where I am in NorCal. It's like 64 out, it's perfect.
Post Wook:It's 58 here, so I don't know how that happened, but in SoCal, oh yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, it's a great day. It's the middle of the week. Woke up on time, I got this new alarm clock and it's like a sunrise alarm clock, so it turns red, orange, yellow and then it just gets like brighter and then birds chirp so I wake up like snow white. It's great, I love it. I woke up to that this morning, had a great workout, just like can't complain.
NorCal Guy:That's awesome. I like that that sounds really nice and proper way to wake up.
Post Wook:Not a fan of a beep. Beep it like elevates your stress levels like immediately. It's not great, it's true.
NorCal Guy:So do you have or use a hardware wallet?
Post Wook:Yes, absolutely. I will say there was a period where I bought it and it was like a few weeks before I set it up, but then I just started thinking about it like a savings account and I was like, oh, I wouldn't want to keep all of my fiat in a savings account that doesn't have any interest on it. Why would I want to keep my crypto in a hot wallet? And then I set it up immediately and I couldn't imagine not having one at this point. So you know, big fan.
NorCal Guy:Once you set it up, you know it's pretty easy to use. It's a small learning curve. Yeah, no reason, because they're like 80 bucks.
Post Wook:Yeah, it's a write-off too. And that's another thing yeah, LLCs, even in the non-crypto world. Then you can write off all your fiat expenses. It's awesome. Speaking of tax season, Cool.
NorCal Guy:I know what were your first thoughts when you heard about crypto art or NFTs.
Post Wook:It was like November of 2020. And one of my business partners called me and was like do you know who Beeple is? And I was like yeah, the guy that like posts weird things on Facebook. And I was like he was like yeah, I was like that was my introduction to Beeple. It was like 2016. He was like posting like these weird things and they were all over Facebook.
Post Wook:And I was like okay, and he told me that Beeple had just like sold a whole bunch of his work for all this money and I wasn't like super interested in like all the money. I was like that seems kind of flashy, like I don't really care, because at that time my focus was very much on like customers who were spending like 30 to $50 on a print and those people didn't have like $69 million. You know, like at most they could spend like 50 bucks on a print on payday. And I was like I just don't know, like I'm really I still am I'm like very like ride or die for my audience, especially on Instagram, like I really care about them. I hit 500,000 followers yesterday on Instagram, which is crazy Congrats.
NorCal Guy:Yeah.
Post Wook:Thank you. I'm really, really, really invested in them, having accessible, inclusive range of products, because they helped change my life and I want to make sure that they feel that gratitude forever. So with NFTs, I was like I don't know, I don't think there's an audience for me, I'm not really sure. And then I like to say that I'm the second person that falls off the bridge. Like I can't jump off the bridge first, like someone else has to do it first. So one of my friends ended up doing a nifty gateway drop His name is Josh Pierce on March 1st in Nice. Guy, yeah, he's great, he's incredible, he's such a sweetheart. He did a drop on March 1st of 2021.
Post Wook:It was a Monday night. I was sitting on my couch, I was eating cereal and I was watching the OC and I texted him and I was like did you just like do an NFT drop? And he was like yeah, and I was like did you just make $500,000? And he was like yeah, and I was like oh my God. And I was just like wow, Like I don't think that that will happen for me, but I was like maybe there is something here and I like made an open C and I was just like I'll just start figuring it out.
Post Wook:And I was on Clubhouse before I knew really what NFTs were. I was like talking about other stuff. But then I started joining like NFT rooms and I was like, oh, this is interesting and like learned a lot. But it was a slow burn for me. Like at first I was like I don't know and then I was like wow, and then it went to oh, I really like the technology of all of this.
Post Wook:And then I met a whole bunch of people I really enjoyed and I was just thinking to myself like, well, this is a nice community, it's got a good learning curve, it mends both sides of my brain. I can think about tech, I can think about art and I feel like it's something that is new and interesting, because at that point, like people's unemployment checks had stopped coming in, so like it was harder for them to buy like e-commerce stuff and I didn't want to just keep slaving away with commercial work as much so I was. I just started getting into this thought of like I need another avenue and it just became like a really good way to continue pushing my work. And it's a totally different audience of people who enjoy different things. So, without getting too much into it, because I'm sure you might ask, being able to use tech with my work to make new work is something I always wanted to do but never could. So I was like, wow, okay, I like it.
NorCal Guy:That's awesome. Why did you choose art? Or what brought you to art?
Post Wook:I think art was brought to me and I know that sounds really corny, but I was a really creative child. My mom likes to say that I was running before I was walking, and usually just like away, I was just running, I was just. I had lot of energy and art was really something that let me express myself. And I feel like at that point when I was like really young, like four or five, I like knew. But then life happens right, I develop other interests, I'm told. I mean, I grew up, I was a kid in like the 90s and I think especially in the nineties, girls were taught don't do girly things. Like there was a phrase like oh, you throw like a girl, like a girl, and it was like an insult. So I was like naturally like, okay, I'm going to go play sports, I'm going to get really interested in academics and art just kind of seemed to I hate to say it like girly, which is so weird considering it's such a male dominated field. But that was how it was addressed to me when I was younger and I really, really had to get away from that and I feel like all those layers and all that conversation just kind of piled up on that like little happy four year old, until one day I just kind of like broke through it and I was always creative. It always like shown through a little bit, but it never actually got through until like 2018. And at that point I was choosing art because I really felt like I had to. It was like there had been so much pressure that built up about just like my life and everything that was happening and I just needed an outlet just to paint a picture. At that time I had gotten sober.
Post Wook:18 months prior to this moment, I had moved to Michigan after graduating college. I was working on a political campaign and I was working like crazy hours, no sleep, like I had like two styrofoam Tupperwares in my fridge, like I had no food. I had nothing and the most exciting thing I could do was put my lunch together right or like pick an outfit, and I just knew I needed more. So I downloaded Photoshop on my phone because I had made a lot of collage work when I was younger and I literally was just like I just need to figure out how to do this. And I did and I didn't understand. Like I liked cutting things out with paper. I didn't really understand the point of doing it digitally at first, but I knew I didn't have space for a studio and I didn't have time to bring everything with me. So I was like I need to be able to do this on the go, I need some release.
Post Wook:And then I like to call it like it was like a glow stick moment, like you know, when you crack a glow stick and it lights up, like that's how I felt, like I literally felt like the glow stick had just come on and it was really powerful for me and I feel like I chose art because if I didn't do that it would have never happened and I just feel like I would have never been able to be myself and I think that all of our purpose in life is to just be as authentically us as possible to help other people feel inspired to do the same. So I would have really just like kind of went away from that if I didn't. So it found me when it needed to. Probably could have found me later, but I'm glad it found me when it did, because I really like art. I really like being able to just express myself with imagery and color and saturation and texture and shapes in a way that, like, explains the way that I'm feeling.
NorCal Guy:Right, so you touched on it a little bit, but what jobs have you done other than being an artist?
Post Wook:Do you want all of them?
NorCal Guy:Let's do, maybe post high school.
Post Wook:Well, in high school I worked as like a pool manager, so that kind of like helps put into perspective. I worked at a pool in high school and in college, so I was a lifeguard. And then I worked at the gym in college like my college gym. And then I worked at like an outdoor store for a little bit, so like selling like camping gear and stuff, cause I really I really love being outside and I learned working a job like that. You don't spend a lot of time outside because you're making your money when you could be outside, so that kind of sucked, but it was fun. I got a lot of gear. And then I worked on Capitol Hill doing like political communication stuff. I worked in party politics for a little bit in 2016. And then I worked on a political campaign in Michigan and she won and that's when that glow stick moment happened. It was like on that political campaign and then I knew I wanted to be an artist but I like wasn't at a point to do it full time.
Post Wook:I moved to California and I worked in a hotel for a bit and I just did everything. By the time I left, they were like the managing director was like I don't even know how to like introduce you to someone, cause I started as a host, then I became a maitre d', then I became the receptionist, then I did guest experience, then I did the receptionist, then I did guest experience, then I did event management and it was just like I knew how to run that place by the time I left and I loved that job. It was probably my favorite day job I've ever had. But when I left that job I became a full-time artist, so that's it.
Post Wook:That's awesome.
NorCal Guy:You were an animal. What would you be and why?
Post Wook:I'd be a phoenix. I feel like I am a phoenix internally, in the sense that I always land on my feet and I can always things happen Like. I feel like the phoenix never knows when it's going to ignite into fire and then be reborn again, but it happens and it perseveres. And I feel very connected to that thought and even like little things, you know, I'm very good at being able to pick myself back up again and just say, you know, like no, we're going to keep building, and when things get too stressful, instead of like walking away, I push further and actually let myself do it, and I really love that about myself. That's something that I really admire and I think that that quality I mean that's what a phoenix does, and it just kind of stays and it you never know when it's going to happen. It's usually, I mean, in Harry Potter, it's like 90 years, but I think that we have phoenix moments all the time or at least I do, and it's great.
NorCal Guy:I like that, your favorite scene.
Post Wook:Currently like starting like a new. I want to call it a diet. It's like a food plan to like help regulate my hormones a little bit.
NorCal Guy:Oh, okay, yeah.
Post Wook:So it's not as exciting as I think. My favorite food would be more of like an indulgent thing at this point. But there's this restaurant near my house called home, ironically enough and they make this really good like short rib pot pie. It's just amazing. But it's all homemade type things, like it's something you'd expect, like your mom, to make. I love it, and that pot pie is amazing. It is so good. Definitely. If I had to pick something, it would probably be the pot pie or macaroni and cheese I really like good mac.
NorCal Guy:It doesn't get compost. I mean, I would almost have this together, I.
Post Wook:I mean I would too, but then I would be, my body would scream at me.
NorCal Guy:What's the best piece of advice you have been given? Ever, yeah, does one stand out?
Post Wook:Man. Oh, there's like so many. One of the things that really really, really has always stuck out to me is just like you can't compare your journey to someone else's and, in a little way, is like you can't compare your insides to someone else's outsides, and I think that that advice is compounded on my life in the past few years. So it used to just mean for me, like social media, like oh, that person looks so perfect. And then it really has turned into more of just like you have no idea what's going on in someone's life but you know everything about yours, so like you can't compare and even judge. It's turned into judgment for me too, of just like I can't judge someone else's life because I have no idea what's really happening behind the scenes and I know everything about me, so it's, I just can't. I think, yeah, probably don't compare your insides to someone else's outsides.
NorCal Guy:I like that. It's hard, especially in this space, because I mean it's very surface level.
Post Wook:The comparison that I that really got kicked into like fifth gear when I first got into the space, cause I had like worked on it and I was like cool with like certain things, but this was like a new use case for me to be like, okay, how do I apply this mantra to this environment. And it was hard. I remember like the super bot was like hard to look at sometimes, cause when I first got into the space, like I wasn't like struggling, but I definitely was stressed. When I would pay rent, you know, like I wasn't happy about it. I would actually flip off my computer every time Because I was just. I just I was.
Post Wook:I was upset, you know where. I think that like seeing just like these crazy life changing numbers all the time was hard, but then I really applied that of like you have no idea what someone else is going through. You have no idea what someone else needs applied that of like you have no idea what someone else is going through. You have no idea what someone else needs. If I had a runner up, it would be like you always get what you need. You might not always get what you want, but you'll always get what you need, and that's been huge in my life too. It's just like you always get what you need and sometimes you need things at different times. Like I'm so glad that like things didn't just immediately blow up for me in 2021. Because if they did, I mean we've seen how a lot of those artists they're leaving. They've left. Like it's different. They don't have the same momentum. People expected the world out of them and it was unfair to them that they were expected to do so much.
Post Wook:I'm glad I didn't actually get caught up in that. I felt very inadequate in the beginning. I was like what's wrong with me? I'm like this really popular artist on Instagram why aren't people connecting to my work here, and I'm actually really glad it took time, because I really got to understand the tech, understand the people, understand the community, be a part of it, be really enmeshed in it in a way that now I couldn't actually imagine my life without it, which might sound sad, but that's where I'm at. I just really enjoy. I feel like I've met a lot of people in the space that I consider my friends, and I try to surround myself with people who, if everything went to zero, I would still call them my friends, and I really feel like I've found those people, which is really nice.
NorCal Guy:That's awesome. I like that a lot. Do you have advice for artists coming into the space, into the art crypto art space?
Post Wook:I think it would be what I just said, but I'll say it again of make friends with people that you would be friends with regardless of the space. So if everything went to zero, would you still be friends with this person? I like to do little check-ins like that, just like in my everyday life with people as well. Like I like to ask myself and just feel do I feel drained after this interaction with this person? How does this person, how do I feel after like a phone call? Do I have more frustration or questions? So I think about that in crypto as well. It's just like is this someone that I would hang out with if everything went to zero? Ideally the answer is yes, and I think there's varying levels of like interactions with people. Right, if it's like someone on a space, you don't have to like go crazy. But it's like the people I'm like spending like phone calls, hours on hours with, like in real life, like they're all people that I would genuinely be friends with outside of the space.
Post Wook:And I've met people that we have a lot in common outside of the space, from the space, which is great. Like I just call, I mean a little shout out to Buna. He works for Schiller. Like him and I have so much in common and I am so grateful that him and I are friends because I feel like he's someone that just like perfectly fit into my life and I just really appreciate knowing someone like that, even from this space, like he would be in my life regardless. You know, like if, like I went to where he lives and just met him, like we would be friends. So I just love that that connection still holds true here. So that would be my biggest piece of advice, because sometimes I get shilled I'm sure you get shilled DMs of people that it's just very cold and I don't think there's anything wrong with starting a conversation. But there's a very big difference in my perspective between a conversation starter and a cold pitch, and I think that there's even a way to do a conversation right. But that's why I think that number one rule is so important, because I genuinely think that people who you would genuinely be friends with and things that you can actually talk to them about, they're going to be the people you want to surround yourself with, more than people that like oh hi, I have a new piece for sale, and that's.
Post Wook:I guess that's the other thing I would say is like one don't focus all your energy on sales, because that's not even what the space is about. And the way I look at that is I view all of us like we work at, like a startup, like we all work at a tech startup together, and all the artists are in the creative department and we have a lot of fun. Our group chats are really crazy and cool and like those are definitely the people you don't want to be talking to if things all went to zero. That you don't like, like, really, because like the people I'm on the phone with most of the time and having these conversations with and like sending memes back and forth, they're not collectors, they're artists, because they're people I genuinely enjoy and they know how my brain works. So it's really important for me to have conversations with people like that.
Post Wook:But the creative department is just one department and I think that's how I helped look at, because I remember when I got in, a lot of people didn't look at PFPs and art differently, but now they do. So I view the trading PFPs. They're in a different department and that's totally fine, but they're in the training department and that's not my department, and then you've got people in a different department, and that's totally fine, but they're in the training department and that's not my department. And then you've got people in the finance department, and then you've got people in like the acquisition department, and like we all work at the same startup though, and I say that because if you work at a startup, your main focus isn't going to be how much money you're making.
Post Wook:Like Google, employees don't go into the office every day. Like making a quarter million in my salary Like that's awesome, like they don't think about that. They build the product, and we are building the product. We're building the open metaverse, like we're building the decentralized internet.
Post Wook:So the way I see it is, if we focus on the product that's being built so like all the artists are making all the art to be a part of the decentralized internet, then everything else kind of falls into place, because everyone else is working towards the product, and sometimes the product is going to be. There's going to be a day where FTX just tweets like one what you know, and whatever, but there's going to be moments where things go haywire. It is a startup, but if we view the space as a startup and you associate yourself with people that you would want to talk to if everything went to zero. In my opinion, you can't lose. You can't fail Cause at at the end of the day, you've made cool friends with people that you actually like and you've helped build a really awesome product and like. How is that not a win?
NorCal Guy:to me, that's a win yeah, I definitely like that because I mean sometimes spend a lot of time in the dms news. It is interesting how it brings it to another level when you meet people in person, though, like if you have that connection, you're like, oh, this is a good friend, especially when you meet in person oh yeah, I feel like the people I've met in person of like it's really like solidified it for me and that's why it's so nice.
Post Wook:When I go to events, I usually have like this one person that I meet that I like don't mean to meet, and I ended up having these conversations with them, and it's someone that maybe I've talked to a little bit online and maybe I don't, but even still they're people that I actually don't really talk to too much online. I just hit them up before events. I'm like, hey, are you going? Like I really want to make sure I can see you, and then we have a blast in person and to me, like that's fine, like it's just like in real life, like I have friends that are really bad texters and I have friends that are really bad with phone calls and I have friends that are just really good in person and I don't think there's anything wrong with those things. And I think that, especially when it comes to the space yeah, I mean finding those comies but then, like knowing where they might communicate best with you, I think is good to do for sure if you could live or move anywhere, where would you live and why?
Post Wook:I have a three-way tie. I really like I don't even know like technically, like what the area is. I mean, okay, if I really had to pick marin county, this is in, they're all in California. So the short answer is California, marin County, like Apple. Valley or like La Jolla in San Diego, or just like put me on the coast right near, like Mendocino.
NorCal Guy:Okay, nice.
Post Wook:That's probably where I would go. I love California.
NorCal Guy:No complaints about any of those.
Post Wook:No, I mean, California is awesome and like. I think the coolest thing about California is you can leave whenever you want, but the song Hotel California is very real. You could never actually leave. I think that's the problem.
Post Wook:You can, you can check out anytime you like, but you'll never actually leave. And it's just, it's just such a perfect place. I mean again, more song lyrics just getting corny, but it's just, it just is. It's like I love when you go up North. There's all of the beautiful outdoorsy stuff. You have big Sur, redwoods, you've got cliffs, you've got I mean, I don't know my family's from like Salinas, so it's not super pretty, but you've got like nice rolling hills. You can go to the pier and look at seals. I don't know if that's any interest, but like even San Francisco, it's just got like a lot of history. Marin County is absolutely gorgeous, just beautiful landscape.
Post Wook:And then down in San Diego, I mean even LA, like there's some I like, I like like downtown I know it's an unpopular opinion because there's a lot of Art Deco architecture which I'm really obsessed with but I think that even parts of Hollywood I just really love the 1920s architecture that this city is left behind. It's pretty much the extent of what I like about Los Angeles, but that's fine, just the architecture. And then I just, I don't know, you just go down to Dana Point, beautiful beaches, and then even further, like La Jolla is just absolutely gorgeous. Then you go out to the desert, like Palm Springs, like are you kidding me? And then like Tahoe, like you cannot lose, it's just the best place.
NorCal Guy:Right? Well, it's all the answer. I like it. I mean, I live in California too.
Post Wook:Wait, actually I have one more though. Oh, because I'm a scuba diver and I'm very, very passionate about being underwater with a breathing machine. It's something I love to do. I've actually been scuba certified for 10 years, which is crazy to think about.
Post Wook:But there's a little dive island. It's off the coast of Venezuela, it's shaped like a boomerang and it's got a little island in the center of the boomerang and it's got a little like island in the center like of the boomerang type of thing, and it's called bonair and it's one of the abc islands. So you've got aruba, bonair and curacao. Curacao is where everyone goes to like party and same with aruba, but no one goes to bonair because there's nothing to do in bonair besides dive. And it's amazing because it's a dive island and I would live on the dive island because it's gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous.
Post Wook:They've got I mean the reefs are dined everywhere, but it's the most beautiful blue. The water pretty much has like no undercurrent. If there's any divers, they'll know what I'm talking about. So, like when you go to like certain places like the water will actually like push you back just because there's like too much of a current. But in Bonaire it's like pretty shallow. So shallow, meaning like 60 meters, and there isn't too much of an undercurrent just because of the way that the water moves. I don't actually know the science of it, but it's great. It's a great place to dive and I probably will croak there, to be honest with you Cool, cool Do you have any questions for me.
Post Wook:Yeah, what's your favorite animal? Don't say octopus. Give me your second favorite. I've listened to your podcast. What's your second favorite animal?
NorCal Guy:Second favorite. Oh my goodness.
Post Wook:Purple.
NorCal Guy:They're on me off here. Damn, that's hard.
Post Wook:I have a few questions for you actually, so just get ready.
NorCal Guy:All right, I don't know, I don't know, I'm going to go with maybe a cat.
Post Wook:Cat.
NorCal Guy:Yeah.
Post Wook:Ted is here. He's lovely. I love cats. I know he saved my life. To be honest with you, I think cats are healing magic, amazing creatures, big fan. Cats are healing magic, amazing creatures, big fan. My other question is because you asked what was my first thought about nfts. I'm curious what yours were. Just like how did you? Or even like, if you want to go further, like crypto we've talked a little bit just about homesteading and if everything, everything goes to zero, I feel like I'd be well equipped to live my life. But yeah, I'm just curious, like how did that happen for you?
NorCal Guy:So crypto, I guess I fell into that easy, well, easier. I just I've been like a libertarian for a long time. It just seemed to make sense to me and I heard about it early on. I was like, oh well, that's awesome, it doesn't involve the government, so perfect. So I was like awesome, so that made sense to me. Nfts was different because when they, you know, were first kind of introduced, it was like kind of a games and not my thing, and I was just like that's really dumb, people are doing stupid stuff over there, and so I ignored it for until like 2020 oh, okay, so about the same time, because I'm sure, like when you say games, are you talking like nba top shot or like earlier oh, like the crypto kitties, like they were like kitties and stuff and I was like that's just dumb, I don't.
NorCal Guy:I don't know why I would do that, so it was like a waste of time, you know, I know hindsight those guys made some decent money, but also like yeah, so, but that's what I I started on nba top shots. I got in on that and had fun, and then I rolled into the other stuff after that.
Post Wook:I think a lot of people like rolled. I think it makes sense to kind of like roll in here, that's cool. So I've listened to other pods and I know that you went to school for a little bit for design and you like topography and that's why you dropped a collection. So I'm going to ask an annoying question but what's your favorite font?
NorCal Guy:Oh no, that's a terrible question because I am out of that business for like forever. I don't even remember that there was a font like that font like we had to draw, hand draw that, all those fonts at least, like pick the phrase, basically that we liked, and we had to hand draw it. And the teacher was like no, you need like a little more curve here, like that, it's like it's not right. You're like, oh, and then we had to scan it and then trace it in illustrator. So I don't even remember. I'm blanking on font names at the moment. I would probably go with I like the acerapharm, I guess it's more classic I mean, that's what that collection was, I believe was all like a serif.
Post Wook:It was like a serif type font. I'm not like super into fonts but I think they're interesting and the old schoolness of having to scan it I like love that. I feel like digital art has come and just like digital anything has just come such a long way. But I see, because one of my favorite things to do when I go to like vintage thrift store type things is I don't like to look at clothes or furniture, I like to look at books and magazines, specifically magazines, because I mean, one, it's a place for source material. Two, I love vintage ads. I love the fact that ads used to have copy on them. They literally used to have a whole paragraph of like just something that someone would say I mean, there's a whole show, mad Men, based off of that copy that was written. And it's just so interesting because some of the fonts that you see in these ads are still being used now. Oh right, right, and they've just stayed popular. It's so cool.
Post Wook:So I studied political science and history in college and, like history has always been something I've like really loved to like connect dots with and just like being able to see how humans are actually not that different than we used to be is big to me, because I think that if we put Benjamin Franklin in 2023, he probably wouldn't understand like the technology and that'd be like a really big hurdle. But once he got like up to speed about the culture, he'd be just as smart as we are. I've seen AI versions of him dressed as like a normal person. He'd look like anyone's dad at a Phillies game, right. I generally think that we are all just kind of figuring it out and that's like the beauty and the humility of it all Right, but the fonts, especially, I find it interesting. Like I drive by this like car dealership and they have this font that I really like and I know they printed that in like the nineties and I just love it. I love the fact that it's still there.
Post Wook:I'm trying to think Okay, so we have talked about homesteading, but not on a podcast. So, just to catch people up, we both really like to grow things. I'm really into the idea of owning land that is mine that I can just do whatever I want with, and I have gathered you are too. So my question is if you had to have a homestead, I need your like perfect spread. So for me that would be like I would need some chickens, I would want a cow, probably a few goats, because they're like trash cans, and then I would want obviously like herbs but like peppers, want obviously like herbs, duh, but like peppers, tomatoes, squash, fruit.
Post Wook:If I could depending on where I lived but then like weird things like milk, thistle and like medicinal, kind of like herbs, dandelion and for sure you know. So I'm just like that's what I would do. I'd probably eat like mostly vegan. If I had a homestead, I like wouldn't want to like slaughter my own animals, or if your homestead was near my homestead and you did, you could like ship me stuff and I could ship you herbs I don't know we can get joelle and we can have her ship us dick butts.
Post Wook:I don't know, but that's my question yeah, I mean I'd love how.
NorCal Guy:I go back and forth about how I would do it, but I definitely want chickens, goats, goats would be cool. I don't know if I want any larger livestock, just because I don't know how much work they are.
Post Wook:A lot.
NorCal Guy:But definitely a garden. I always go back and forth between an aquaponics type setup with fish, so I think that would be really good. It'd have to be next to a water source to have a year-round creek so something. Think that would be really good If you had NB. It'd have to be like next to a water source to have like a year round creep so something like that, so you could grow stuff year round would be nice and like a nice wow, blinking on it, Sun, road thing, greenhouse.
Post Wook:Greenhouse, greenhouse, sun would be nice and a greenhouse yeah, greenhouses are key. I I mean that's like the first thing I'm gonna do when I have a yard. It's just like build a greenhouse yeah, so something like that.
NorCal Guy:I mean, definitely we've grown stuff outside, but I think, uh, aquaponics setup would be cool.
Post Wook:You got some protein there with the fish and fertilizing your stuff I think we've talked about that before, but I think like aquaponics are like I'm a big fan of just like sustainability when it comes to things like that. I mean, it rained so much in LA and I have so much like captured rainwater right now. That makes me so happy, but then all my plants got thrips, so now they're all in bags downstairs. It looks really weird. It's getting better. I think I'm like 90% over it, but so I have just all this like rainwater. That's just like outside and I'm like so ready to water my plants, but I just have no ability to water them right now but oh, the other thing I would probably want a herding no, I wouldn't have sheep.
Post Wook:So maybe not a herding dog, but a cat to like, kill mice, and then a horse to get around For sure.
Post Wook:I really want a horse. I like horses. My grandma had horses and I've always just I'm not like a horse girl. I didn't grow up thinking about them, but they're like big dogs and to me that's just. There's something like magical about them. I look at a horse, I'm just like how is this thing real? I've also been putting them in my work a lot lately. I don't know, I just kind of like them. I'm kind of a big fan of a horse.
NorCal Guy:Yeah, I mean, I guess the one thing that I guess is good, you can put them to good work as well, like they can pull stuff If we're talking about, if we're really off the grid. You don't have access to fuel or anything, they can definitely move some muscle.
Post Wook:Okay, I guess I have one more. Do you think everything is eventually ever going to go to zero? Like that like, that level of like. We need homesteads. The apocalyptic question.
NorCal Guy:I mean, that's a huge, that's a huge. What if no? But I think people could be cut off from stuff.
Post Wook:Yeah.
NorCal Guy:Like with a credit, social credit score.
Post Wook:Yeah, like a little black mirror. Well, it's funny because so my dad works for NASA and we have conversations that are just absolutely insane. Like we just talk about things, like we've thought about it, we should just record these and, like make them a podcast, because people would love to hear this.
Post Wook:Because, I asked him something similar once about like the grid, and he was like, well, the grid is great and, like so much, of us rely on technology in our day to day, but, like solar winds are an actual concern when it comes to the power grid, because of a solar wind from the sun came and, like, gusted off the sun towards Earth. It could knock out our entire power grid, at least on like half the country or half the world. Right, half the planet doesn't have an electrical grid anymore until they get it back up and running and there's nothing we could do about it. Because do you do about the sun? There's no sun insurance, right? So in that way, I think humans will probably cannibalize each other, maybe not like physically, but metaphorically, but I definitely think, yeah, like something weird could happen, like an asteroid or solar gust or something. Yeah, because this universe is wild.
Post Wook:The more I learn about it, the more I'm just like what. We are such an anomaly to be able to live like this, like it's such a gift. It's such a gift that we get to live at the same time as cats.
NorCal Guy:That's how I feel do you have any upcoming projects or shout outs yes, so when does this come out?
Post Wook:do you think like a month? It might be a week or two okay, so we're recording this like the week before new york, so I have like a few things happening in new york. I have a new dynamic piece coming out with transient labs. I think they're previewing it in new york, but it might be after. You own my other one, right? You own the citric acid, I think, right, or did you bid on it and did someone outbid you? I don't remember.
NorCal Guy:I might've just bid on it? Oh, maybe I don't know. I don't remember it being dynamic, but maybe it is.
Post Wook:I think it is, I don't know. I'll have to check. I do have a dynamic piece.
NorCal Guy:I'll have to check that too. Yeah, cause check that to you?
Post Wook:Yeah, because if it is the one I think it is, it changes every night and day, so based on your local time, it gets like crazier. It's pretty cool, but this one it's really interesting. So I basically just told Ben I was like I want it to be as random as possible and I want every layer to like move at a different speed. So what we did is there's five different layers and they have five different speeds they can run at, and it's like from three to 10 seconds each. So every time you refresh the piece it changes. Oh, wow.
Post Wook:And the intervals that each layer change at also change every time you refresh the piece. So he was showing me the code. If you load it up and then it's like layers one, two, three, four and five, it's like three seconds, six seconds, nine seconds and eight seconds, If you refresh it those frequencies will change again, so it'll change at a different speed. Every single time you refresh it. It'll change and every layer changes at a different speed anyway. But then there's little keywords you can type into your keyboard. You don't even have to press enter, you just type them in and then it changes to like a very like preset palette. So one is like red, one is purple, one is blue and there's keywords for them. They're eight letter keywords.
Post Wook:I'm not going to say what they are, but it's really cool and it's very random and the piece moves like very quickly. It's like that. I mean We've all seen that like viral video of like a chameleon dreaming it like looks like that, Like it just is moving like very crazy. It's. It's really cool. When I can show you, I will.
NorCal Guy:I can't wait.
Post Wook:He showed me yesterday. So I like this is very fresh, alpha, no-transcript, burn it to like, really encourage people to like, have fun, but keeping it very contained. We're doing like a capsule gamification. We're not going crazy, it's going to be very small. So those are like the big things, but I guess the biggest thing that I'm doing I haven't even mentioned this at all is I'm the creative director for a startup like legitimately, not just like my metaphor and we have bought space, like physical space, on a SpaceX satellite and we're sending audio files and photos into outer space. That anyone wants so?
Post Wook:if you wanted to take a picture of your cat and put it into space, you could, and your cat will literally live in space forever. Or a picture of like a loved one, or like an audio clip of them, like telling them that you love them or whatever, and it will literally live in space forever. So we hired engineers about like a year ago at this point to be able to do this. We've tested it. It's really cool. My eyes glazed over in those meetings, but that's not my job anyway. So it's fine and we have the ability to literally send these things into space as light particles, which is really cool. And then it can be whatever you want.
Post Wook:So then there's like an NFT component attached to it as like the form of like a mission badge. So it's like you go and you buy it for I don't know, like it's like 20, and then you record it and then you get an nft with it and then the nft changes from like holding to like up in space, to like out, into the like your thing has gone out, and then it comes back down and there's like a whole bunch of different like, little like versions of it. So there's like one for people if it's for a loved one that's passed, it's like rest among the stars. And then it's like, if it's for a significant other, it's I love you forever. And then for kids there's like my first mission. So it's like for a little kid putting something into space.
Post Wook:And I designed these little cards. They're meant to be certificates that go in each confirmation, just kind of like package. It's just like a little like welcome package and you get like a little mission badge sticker that I also designed and we're currently working on the websites for it. But that should be going live ideally at the end of this year, if not Q1, q2 of 2024.
Post Wook:Okay not bad and it's crazy. We have like a ton of space on the satellite. I think it's something like 2 million spaces like space on the hard drive. So we're really trying to like hit like a wide audience and it's just really cool Like I met this guy who put me on through like crypto dick butts literally, and it's been like really awesome. I genuinely am like very my dreams have come true. I've always wanted to be a creative director. So the fact that I get to do that is really awesome. And I get to be a crypto bro and I get to be an artist. So it's like I wake up every day to my sunrise alarm clock and I'm just like I love my life. There's birds chirping, I have a cat next to me, I'm a creative director, I get to be a crypto bro. It's awesome. So that's the big thing that I'm doing right now.
NorCal Guy:Right, I like it. That's awesome.
Post Wook:It's pretty cool. I mean like when he told me the idea it's like we're going to send screams into space People can just yell and we're going to send it into space I was like, okay, I like it. I like it a lot.
Post Wook:And I told my dad, who works at NASA, he was like haven't you seen alien? The quote if you scream into space, no one will hear you. And I was like well, we're not screaming into space, they're light particles that go into space. But it is really cool because we've actually gotten we've like bent the ability for the technology to work, which I think is like really awesome.
NorCal Guy:Cool Well Postwood, thank you so much for taking some time out of your day and spending it with me. I really appreciate it.
Post Wook:You too, really, really, really appreciate it. And Ted, who's here? That no one can see, but he's in your heart and that's what matters.
NorCal Guy:Right, awesome. Well, I hope you have a great day and we'll talk soon.
Post Wook:Sounds good, talk soon. Date and we'll talk soon. Sounds good, talk soon. Who is?
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