NorCal and Shill
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NorCal and Shill
Digital Dreams and Physical Realities: NFTs Explored
Welcome to a fascinating exploration of Non-Fungible Tokens (NFTs), where we delve into their evolution from niche collectibles to mainstream commodities shaping our culture and economy. In this episode, hosted by the ever-curious team, we are joined by Tony Herrera, a seasoned veteran in the NFT realm. As we discuss his journey and experiences from the early days of this digital frontier, listeners gain valuable insights into how perceptions of NFTs have changed over time, influencing the ways we understand value, creativity, and ownership in a digitally connected world.
We dive into the exciting potential of blending physical and digital art forms, examining how technological advancements have enabled artists and collectors to create rich, immersive experiences. Tony shares his ambitious vision for integrating innovative tools that enhance the relationship between physical and digital collectibles, paving the way for a new landscape of engagement through NFC technology. Furthermore, we shine a spotlight on social impact initiatives driven by the crypto community, emphasizing the critical need for inclusivity in this emerging Web3 space. As Tony articulates his commitment to helping underrepresented groups access and thrive in this landscape, we explore the profound societal implications of this digital revolution.
The episode culminates in visionary discussions about what the next five years hold for NFTs. Tony predicts that digital tokens will become an integral part of everyday transactions, allowing people to seamlessly engage with brands without traditional financial barriers. Through exciting projects like the TGN Arcade, we learn how gamification can play a pivotal role in enthusiastically onboarding users into the world of Web3. Make sure to tune in for a thought-provoking conversation about the future of NFTs, their potential for innovation, and the promise of a more inclusive digital landscape. Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share your thoughts on the evolving world of NFTs!
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NorCal Guy:What the sh-? What the sh NorCal and Shill Podcast. So it's Shill time. Norcal and Shill Podcast. What the sh-, what the sh-? Hey, everyone, welcome to this next episode of NorCal and Shill. Today we have Tony Herrera. Tony discusses his early involvement in the NFT space and how he initially didn't understand the concept. We also discuss Tony's favorite movie quote and his interest in collecting physical items tied to NFTs. We discuss the potential of physical digital integration and the need for improved tools and infrastructure in the NFT space. Tony mentions his involvement in projects focused on social impact and onboarding underrepresented communities into the Web3 space. We end the chat with Tony expressing his excitement for the future of NFTs and their potential for innovation. Everybody, please welcome Tony. Hey, tony, welcome to the podcast. How are you doing today?
Tony Herrera:I'm doing good. Thank you for having me.
NorCal Guy:Yeah, I'm so glad we can make this work. I've been wanting to talk to you. I've seen you around, We've met and I'm glad we could come together on this show and hear your thoughts on some things.
Tony Herrera:Thank you. Thank you, yeah, that's good seeing you. I know that we ran into each other the last and it's and it's NYC, not this one, but the last one we were at the. So it was good to see you, you know, I know we're both members of the punk community and kind of like collectors of fine JPEGs find jpegs.
NorCal Guy:So, yeah, right, right we speaking of what were your first thoughts when you heard of nfts. I know you're an early so yeah, mentor.
Tony Herrera:Uh, so I was actually. I like to correct people, so you're gonna hate it, but because you're, when you say mentor, when you ask, when you talk to, you're talking to referring to punks, right.
NorCal Guy:Right, right right.
Tony Herrera:And just because I'm a purist punks are never minted. They're all claimed right. Okay, yeah, so I'm fortunate enough to be amongst the 150 plus wallets that minted or claimed punks Right, and that's how I essentially to your question. That's how I essentially learned about NFTs before they were essentially called NFTs because punks precede even the ERC-20 platform.
Tony Herrera:But yeah, I came into punks sort of haphazardly through the Mashable article, like a lot of people did, and it was kind of the earliest iterations of NFTs in a sense that here you had a token on the Ethereum platform that would essentially always live on the Ethereum platform and I think that's what essentially enamored me about beginning back then with Punks and later on with NFTs is the fact that here you have this token that can represent art, can represent anything on the ethereum blockchain, and it's like immutable and will ever, ever present on the blockchain and can't be removed. It could be burned, but right, right, I mean it's.
NorCal Guy:I don't know why it took me so long to understand it. Like I got Bitcoin, like instantly, I was like, oh, this is awesome, but for some reason, attaching a picture to a rare digital token, I was like that's dumb, I don't know why.
Tony Herrera:I think I understand you because when I first got into the ecosystem in 2015, I started looking at Bitcoin and that's actually my entry into crypto was with Bitcoin, started buying Bitcoin and then, you know, it's like trying to understand it. You know, like a lot of people read the white paper, didn't understand a word of the white paper so I was like okay, whatever, but I kind of understood certain things about the decentralization of it. And then it was with Ethereum that I really got enamored with it because of the smart contract process. The whole idea that you could remove an intermediary from the process was really sort of engaging to me. So I think for me it was like an instant thing. When it came to tokens, I started gravitating to tokens so much. So, like my first entry before a lot of entities was actually ICOs. I did a ton of tokens on ICOs.
NorCal Guy:Yeah, okay, now that makes sense. If you could live or move anywhere, where would you live? Why?
Tony Herrera:I thought of this. I really like where I live now, which is LA. I've grown up in LA. As much as the hustle and bustle of LA people, I love LA. I think probably either Mexico City or New York, and I would have to say probably New York, although I'd probably leave as soon as it starts to snow. But yeah, I love the hustle and bustle of New York and I feel like a vibrant energy whenever I'm there. I'd probably say New York, although I have to say that I've been to New York a couple of times where the moment it starts getting really cold, like below 30 degrees, I'm like I don't know that I can hang out here very long, right, right, but I think New York would be the choice.
NorCal Guy:What's the best piece of advice you've been given?
Tony Herrera:Wow, the best piece of advice. I think the best piece of advice was given to me by a gentleman a while back. Is it best piece of advice in this space or just any piece of advice?
NorCal Guy:I think any piece of advice is I. I like to uh, just you know, like what's something you live by I.
Tony Herrera:I think the best piece of advice was something I heard from an older gentleman who said you're going to get to a point in your life where you want to be the best son that you can be to your parents, the best husband or partner that you can be to your husband or wife and the best father to your kids, or the best individual that can contribute to society fathers your kids, or the best individual that can contribute to society. I think, and I think the main thing take away was that it costs you zero effort to be nice. It's like you know, it's like so. I think that to me, you know, we'd live in a better world if everybody just like walked around and was kind to one another. Right?
Tony Herrera:So I think for me, that would be the best piece of advice.
NorCal Guy:I like it. Did you collect art or anything before you got into the art space?
Tony Herrera:I've always been a collector of something. I started off initially, believe it or not, with coins when I was a kid. I used to check the change and I would try to find Buffalo Nichols or Mercury Dimes this was back when you could still get a silver dollar or something like that and I even bought the books that held the coins, little blue books that had perforated areas. And then that was actually funny that you asked, because that was my first rug. So that was the first rug, and I'll tell you what the rug was.
Tony Herrera:The rug was that I had a bunch of those books and I had them where I would show them off, and as a kid I like show them off, right. And as a kid I was probably like, literally like, maybe no, no, I was probably no more than 10 years old, right. And one day, uh, the ice cream man came by and my sister, my sisters and my cousins wanted ice cream, so they didn't have any money laying around, so they figured that they take the money from this and I think they meant to do it like they would replace the money, not realizing that the quarters were not just regular quarters and nickels were regular nickels so that was like, that was the, that was the first major rug.
Tony Herrera:But I I went, I literally went to the books and I'm like, and I was like literally like in tears, like so I'm like, I was like literally like in tears. So I'm like, mom, you know, I was like, yeah, that was like yeah, so that was the first collection and then later on I started collecting.
Tony Herrera:I have a fascination for architecture and other things. Collected little things in there, but I think the main thing that I've always collected is I collect old notes, old bank notes. I have money from when Mexico, before Mexico, mexico is the United States of Mexico it's, I think, 33 states that are all together that form the union, but back then, before the revolution, like the state of Chihuahua, the state guanajuato, the state of jalisco, would all mentor on money. It's kind of funny because the money that was minted by them was actually minted by the american banknote company, which is like, basically, it's like this, it's like it was just a printer, right. It's like you needed a printer, you're gonna make your money, you need somebody to print it for you, right? So the american american, american Banknote was the company who printed those for you.
Tony Herrera:So I have some bills from those. I have those and every now and then, if I travel and I'm able to find an old bill, I just like old bills. I like to see old bills because when we talk about Bitcoin and stuff, it's like Bitcoin it doesn't lose a value because the note is no longer circulating. It's funny that we see notes on eBay, all sorts of bank notes on eBay, where they're selling them because now they have a collectible value. That's one of the things I laugh about when I tell people that currency never goes to absolute zero. There's always some collectible value.
Tony Herrera:Somebody will find, like there's a trillion dollar node from Zimbabwe or something like that and like those don't have any value, but they have collectible value right, that's interesting point, very interesting point.
NorCal Guy:I haven't thought about that. So what are the best things about Web3 today? The?
Tony Herrera:best thing about Web3 today? I think the best things about Web3 today, the best thing about Web3 today? I think the best thing about Web3 today is the constant exploration and iteration on ideas. I think I'm always enthralled with what somebody is trying to build on Web3. We're starting to see it right. We're starting to see we've gone through the wave're starting to see. We've gone through the wave of ICOs, we've gone through the wave of NFTs and now we're starting to look at all right, what is the NFT and what is it to? Does it get me into an event? Does it get me into this? So I think that we're starting to see.
Tony Herrera:You know, before we started recording, we were talking about how OpenSea I always like to talk with people about how there are items on OpenSea that you don't realize that they're a big value, because you don't realize what they can do. And like, for instance, we discussed the fact that Ledger has begun to sell redemption tokens for their hardware wallets on OpenSea. So I could buy a Nano S or a Nano X by starting by getting the token and then redeeming the token on the website for the physical merch for the hardware wallet. But I think what's interesting about that is that I don't know about you, but I live in California and every time I go to the Ledger website and try to buy something with my credit card, I always get rejected by my bank and I have to go back and redo it. I have to redo the order because they'll send you a text message saying was it you? Yes, it was me.
Tony Herrera:And then I got to go back so now with the redemption token, you just removed all that.
Tony Herrera:You removed the credit card you removed everything, because now all you do is trade your token for the merchandise. And that's really exciting to me about Web3, because now you're looking at the potential for anything to be tokenized where the ability for you to get it is not encumbered by a bank refusing the payment or processing the payment or even, like you could figure out, like now it's like okay, well, sometimes it's about a question of shipping, right, it's like, well, now you can engage with a company potentially, and kind of like look at a token in Web3 and there's so much more that you can do with the brand. If the brand is willing to explore the options of Web3, right, the fact that they have a direct communication to you. I see a lot of potential with that.
NorCal Guy:Yeah, no, I definitely see that. I definitely. I like that aspect of it. I'm thinking of it in that way when do you see digital art, NFTs in five years? Do you have any concerns?
Tony Herrera:Where do I see NFTs in the next five years? I don't really have any major concerns. I think concerns would be around the fact that things go. Is the concern sometimes that things are going to go to zero and that's pretty much a given? I mean, we're going to buy. I'm okay with buying an NFT here and there where I know it's going to go to zero, because I know that somebody is trying to explore something and I'm willing to go into exploration right.
Tony Herrera:I remember a while back I bought a bunch of red line gazettes that are an NFT of a magazine, right, and I thought this is kind of interesting because when you think about NFTs, they're essentially it could be a book, right, so I thought that was kind of cool. You know they're, they're essentially it could be a book, right, so I thought that was kind of cool. So I'm not. I don't have any concerns on that end. I think to to your question. I see nfcs being almost almost part of everything. It's like just like email is a part of what we do and text messages is what part of we do, and digital payments in the form of credit cards and debit cards. I think that all will become very much a process of NFTs, but I don't think that people will realize that it's an NFT. I think a lot of people are going to be engaging with NFTs and they won't realize that it's an NFT, because the ecosystem will bring them things that they're engaging with. What people understand is coupons, right.
Tony Herrera:I go to shop at Adidas a lot and every Like I go to shop at Adidas a lot and every time I go to shop at Adidas, I have to bring up my ID. It's ID me and it's a QR code that I present to them so they can give me my discount and I'm proud to get my discount Every time I go there. It's like I want to get my discount, but if you think about it, it's like that could be an NFT in my Ethereum wallet. That is just a QR code that just says Adidas, I'm a veteran, please give me my discount. Right, it doesn't have to be.
Tony Herrera:I don't even have to realize that it's an NFT because on an app somewhere wallet without it having to be centralized to a right now an email, the email service provider could rug me and I no longer have access to my QR code because I don't have access to my email.
NorCal Guy:Right, that's a good point. It is going to be, you know, I mean there's a lot of friction right now, but I definitely agree that it is going to smooth out. It's a lot of friction right now, but I definitely agree that it is going to smooth out.
Tony Herrera:It's a lot of friction. The tools that we need to onboard the next million people have not been developed yet. There's no easy I was discussing this with another project where there's no easy way for you to go into a store now and do a point of sale transaction with tokens, right. But imagine that if you walked in and the cash register, the you know the person that could essentially scan and do something, provide you a way to send tokens like. Imagine that a restaurant would accept shiba tokens as long as you have a payment gateway for Shiba tokens to pay for your meal. Cool, you're done, you're good to go Right right.
Tony Herrera:So we're not there yet. I actually think we'll get there sooner than most people think. I think we'll get there soon because, as NFTs begin to become illiquid, they will be replaced with NFTs that have some sort of use, not necessarily in a number go up scenario, but that they're tradable for something, an experience, an event, a product. I think we're there and I think the spare market is going to get us there faster than we think.
NorCal Guy:Nice.
Tony Herrera:Do you have a favorite movie quote? Favorite movie quote God. I'm a movie buff and I love a lot of movies, especially like foreign films. So I think that my favorite quote that I go to oftentimes is from Treasure of the Sierra Madre, where I can't remember the scene, but they kind of come up on and he says you know, they stop them and they want to check them. And he says you're the police. He says you know, show me some, show me the badges, show me a badge that you're the police or that you're and the. And the guy on horseback is Mexican with a big mustache. His badges we only know stinking badges.
NorCal Guy:So that's my favorite part Nice, nice, I like it. What would you like to see more of in the NFT space? I know you've talked about like the physical stuff.
Tony Herrera:Is there anything like on the art side you'd like to see more of? Um, I'd like to see more of the artists, especially when it comes to sculpture and physical art, stuff that I want to hang or put on a wall or that I want something that I want that I want it to be an object. I'd like to see more artists doing a physical you know, physical items. Whether NFT is represented in some way tied to a physical, you know, I think that right, I think that that's the area that I would love to see is that I I was working with a sculpt, a Mexican sculpture artist, a while back, and one of his reluctances to get into NFTs was the fact that he wasn't a digital artist, that he's a sculptor, and so I think that now that we have the NFC chips and RFID tags and all this other tech, now you can imagine a sculpture having the ability for you to have a sculpture that you know, that you can do something with it and take it into the metaverse, or or that becomes also tied to a physical token of art. I think that digital token of art. I think that that that's where I like to play. I like, I like, I like artists who are like expanding the boundaries of oh, I can create digital art and I can tokenize it, I can put it there, but their budget, but how can I provide additional experience down the road?
Tony Herrera:And you're seeing artists do that. Tom Sachs does it, for instance. Tom Sachs does very well with that. I have his rocket. And then I ended up launching the rocket and then I had the option to either get it At the time, I was like trying to decide where I was going to put it and I was wondering whether my, whether, whether my wife was even going to allow me to put it anywhere. And I was like right, and then, and then I was like traveling at the time and I needed to to indicate what I wanted to do with it. So I ended up seeing that he had this thing where like, uh, you could send it to the museum, and I thought that was very cool, because then I oh cool, I'll send it to the museum.
Tony Herrera:That is cool. And now every time I see you know shows where like G-Funk and Derek Edwards from Proof or from Call of Currency he's got they both have like I think Jukka has like five or six of them behind him where they can see him, and then Derek has like a few. And every time I see him I'm like, oh damn, I sent mine to the museum. But but I like the fact that, because on Tom he actually put Tom Sachs, he actually put an M, like a really cool like M, where it denotes that I sent it to a museum. So I can flex, I can flex it on the display and I can flex the fact that it's not on my desktop but hey, it's in a museum, you know. So that's kind of cool right right, that's true.
NorCal Guy:That's true now. Okay, so something sparked when you're talking about the physical, like the sculpture. Um, now do you know what open dimes are?
Tony Herrera:open dives. No, I'm not familiar with open times um coin kite, so it's, it's.
NorCal Guy:It's a bitcoin product, I know.
Tony Herrera:I know conchite, so it's I bought it I bought a coin kite because they do the, they do the, uh, the, the ticker right, the the yes, yeah, yeah, I love that thing yeah, the block. I love the block lock.
NorCal Guy:Yeah.
Tony Herrera:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
NorCal Guy:So, yeah, yeah, I have, yeah, yeah, so, so, so Coincrate is like the, like another division of it, or that is the head company, I don't know. Open dime is a USB. One time, use hardware wallet, which, which is secure. It has a secure chip and then when you puncture it with a pen or something, when you plug it into your computer, it shows the seed phrase, so you can then withdraw the asset or the coins on it. Now I've always wondered why they haven't done something like that on ethereum. Um, because coin kite is only bitcoin. He will not touch anything else. But someone hasn't hasn't invented or done something similar like that.
NorCal Guy:So, for one time, use ethereum hardware wallets that's interesting so I like that idea it worked with like that yeah so.
Tony Herrera:So I like that idea, because I don't know if you do. You remember ether cards?
Tony Herrera:so the cards were early early, this would have been around 2016, 2017, 2018 maybe you would go to. You would go to events and when you went to a meetup they would give you a card for that meetup and the back of it had a, had a qr code with a with the hexadecimal ethereum address, and since I could gift you the card and I could scan it and send you some eth or some tokens to that, to that, to that card, and it included a scratch off seed phrase where you would scratch it off and then you could transfer those assets to whatever the wallet was no different than what Magic Link does.
Tony Herrera:I don't know if you've ever used Magic Link I haven't. So Magic Link, which is what we use for Digital Arcade, is you could get a Magic Link with an email, so it gives you this temporary custodial wallet that the asset can be sent to that wallet and, similarly, you go to your email, reveal the seed phrase and then transfer that asset to a secure wallet. But it's just that in the digital form, right, it's your Ether cards in the digital form. So Ether cards went kind of by the wayside once you were able to just have somebody open up a matter mask and you know web3 wallet and send them the tokens right, so so. But but I'm a physical guy. I like like. I like comic books and magazines. So anytime I can play with a, with a card, that that you can touch and feel and that somehow interacts with the blockchain, I think that's very cool.
NorCal Guy:Yeah, awesome, do you like? Cause? I always thought it'd be interesting for like cause, it's true, like for like oil painters or sculptors, it'd be interesting to have like something like that can't they can attach to like the back of their painting or to that that like. Hey, this is your proof and you can plug it in and verify without like getting the breaking the seed phrase yeah, that's actually really cool.
Tony Herrera:I'd love to take a look at it because I was actually having a discussion with eric sofro, who famously oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is some guy. Just he just created this little thing called squiggles, right, it's like just a tiny tiny project you know it's like, but anyways. So eric was talking and we were discussing the fact of like physical to to digital or you know entity tied with physical, and we were talking about tyler hobbs, uh, pedensis, and you know how how right tyler tyler will send you a print, a signed, signed print, of a Fidenza, and so we were discussing whether a token and the physical.
Tony Herrera:So let's say that you, you know Narcal, has a token of Fidenza and he also has a printed version, signed by Tyler Hobbs Is that pair more valuable than a un-minted token where Tyler hasn't sent yet the print and signed the print? Which one of the two is more valuable?
NorCal Guy:Right, it's a great question.
Tony Herrera:Yeah.
NorCal Guy:And, like you know, when someone splits it, because you know, yes, it's bound to happen.
Tony Herrera:That happened to me with Justin Ariz, arizona. Justin arizona did a token and he and I bought a couple tokens from him. Uh, it was, uh, I think it's uh scrolls. There were like these, these physical pieces of art that he had created, and the token was a redemption token for the physical piece. And so I bought it and he sent me the two physical pieces.
Tony Herrera:And this was before I sort of like started. I don't know what I was doing, but anyways, I put up one of the tokens for sale and then Dan Sickles bought it, and then Dan tweeted oh, I'm looking forward to mounting this physical, you know, from Justin. And then Justin said, oh, you can't because that token has already been claimed right. And then, oh, yeah, and then I realized that it was my token, right. And so then I reached out to dan and said by the way, the token that you bought, I have the physical and I don't feel right keeping the physical. So I want to ship you the scroll because because technically, the way I see it is, it belongs.
Tony Herrera:This was, this was early days of you know, this was before justin blew up with twin flames and everything else, right, this is like yeah, yeah, yeah. And and and dan was surprised that I was even willing to send it. He's like oh, I'll pay you for it. I'm like, no, I, I don't. I think that, to be honest with you, I don't think that this token should be decoupled from the physical and for me to sell you the token without the physical, I feel like I'm not doing you service right, doing you justice. So, since you bought it, I think it's only right that either A I buy the token back from you I'm happy to take it back and pay you what you paid plus gas or I can just send you the. So I ended up sending them the physical. But I think that that's my argument is that I've never sold the token for anything that I've claimed. Routinely I get offers for my Unisox, the token, my Gen 0.
Tony Herrera:And I also get for my Punks shoes from Artifact and a couple other items where I've already redeemed the merch and people want to buy my token and I've always thought, well, why do they want to buy the token and I, I just won't sell it only because I? I just for me, it's like the value of the token is in the fact that it's tied to the merchant. I would only feel right to sell somebody that token, like say, the unisocs token, if I actually sent them the unisocs as well right physically.
Tony Herrera:Yeah, yeah, I see that I I agree with that too, but I, but I'm not going to send them a pair of worn socks. Right, but to be honest with you, I actually haven't opened the socks. I haven't had the heart to open the vacuum seal of the unisocs.
NorCal Guy:Yeah that's fair. Do you have any projects that you'd like to discuss?
Tony Herrera:community into NSC space, web3. And it mostly serves to educate and help the Spanish-speaking community get into Web3. So it's not a money making DAO, it's mostly a social impact DAO. And then I have another project that I'm working on right now, which is TGN Arcade, and the TGN Arcade that I'm doing with two fellow punks, daniel Jeremy, daniel Artsofly and Jeremy Penn. Daniel Jeremy, daniel ArtSofLion and.
Tony Herrera:Jeremy Penn, and that arcade is one around taking old arcade machines and connecting them to the blockchain, and what we've done is basically started out with a claw machine where you fish out a prize. The prize is an NFT and that NFT could be anything, including items that you can redeem for physical items. So we just rolled that out, just had our NFT NYC activation rolled out the machine and we're super excited about the tech behind it, because it's mostly a tech, even though we have a hardware, even though it's a machine, it's really a tech. It's like. The tech is that you can take an NFT in the form of a digital asset, that is, a redemption token that you could buy through a machine, whether it's an arcade machine or a vending machine and then that token can be used to redeem a physical item. It could be a physical item, but it could also be an event ticket, it could also be a magazine, it could also be a subscription, it could also be a fine JPEG like a Videnza or Chromie Squiggle or anything else.
NorCal Guy:So that's what we're working on. That's awesome. Now I can't wait to show up at one of these DGN arcades and play Like I'm looking forward to that.
Tony Herrera:So we have the inner life activations which we've already done New York, our Basel, this recent New York one but what you will be able to do with DigiArcade is that you'll be able to play. Pretty soon You'll be able to play to that. So it's an application.
Tony Herrera:You'll be able to do Web3 Connect and essentially pay to play and win all manner of NFCs, and we're excited about that because we started working with some brands that are going to bring some interesting prizes to the price pool.
Tony Herrera:That'll be really interesting to see what engagement we get with those brands who are essentially new to Web3, because they're really coming into Web3 by essentially giving us a bunch of prizes that you throw into this machine. They're not even. They're not throw into these machines, they're not even businesses that are deeply into Web3. And for me it's really important because if we're going to onboard users, we're only going to onboard users into Web3 if we can find them something that compels them to go into Web3. And if we're not going to get them to come in and buy our illiquid JPEGs, we have to figure out what else they can buy. So maybe they can buy an experience, maybe they can buy a magazine, maybe they can buy a book, maybe they can buy a. My dream is that tokenized products would bring you where you can do a mundane thing like buying toilet paper in the form of a token that you could literally redeem the token for the toilet paper yeah, that's awesome.
NorCal Guy:Well, tony, I just want to say thank you so much for your time today and for coming on the show. I really appreciate this chat thank, thank you and getting insights.
Tony Herrera:Appreciate your time.
NorCal Guy:I hope to catch up again soon. Happy to catch up, have a good day. We'll talk soon.
Tony Herrera:We will Thank you.
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